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HOW I GOT INTO SCIENTOLOGY AND WHY I GOT OUT -- ILLUSTRATED INTERVIEW WITH JASON BEGHE

Q.  What would happen if you spoke truthfully?

A.  I would talk to RTC and all these things -- but it's bad PR!  It's not anybody's business.  You're not suppose to talk about "your case."  So this was going on, honey -- I was in Scientology maybe 10 or 11  years -- the last 8 years like that. 

And I'm paying fucking money.  Maybe I paid a million fucking dollars, I don't know.  I don't even keep track.  I just said, "Okay, here's another fucking thing.  This is going to work -- you think so?"  "Yeah, we finally got it." 

So I'm out of this thing, and I'm doing course, and I'm just off auditing lines and "You GOTTA see this thing, Jason.  It's going to fucking KEY YOU OUT!"  And I go in, and they show me this fucking thing, and I'm looking at all these people who are on OT7, and they're going nuts with the sec checks too!  And I'm like, "This is fucking crazy!"  These people, they're supposed to be home auditing, and then they have to go to Flag every six months, and they're there for like six fucking weeks.  How are you supposed to -- what, are you crazy?  And they're coming home like [making paraplegic motions] "Uhhh, uhhh, I had a really good six months check." 

I mean, it's just as clear as day, I tell you:  this is not fucking standard.  Scientology is not supposed to make you worse.  I saw it; I'm experiencing it; and watching it. 

So now they come out -- and this is two or three years later -- and this little mistake probably made the church about $500 million dollars.  And then about $500 million dollars later, COB gives a fucking briefing on the Free Winds, and this is what they show me is, "Arbitrary's cancelled!" 

It's an arbitrary, is what they say.  In other words, all this sec checking was an arbitrary.  And through his research, and looking into things, and re-checking all of LRH's notes, they realize they made a mistake.  And so now I don't have to do the sec checking, "Aren't you happy, Jason?"  And all these people like on 7 -- like a bunch of fucking idiots -- were like "Arbitrary's cancelled! 

And I can just go on.  It's going to save me about $50,000 a year!"  And all this shit.  And it's like "Wow!"  And me, I'm like, "You think that's supposed to make me fucking happy!? I feel like you should give a fucking apology."  I said, "If I were COB, and I made that mistake, I wouldn't go 'Arbitrary's cancelled!' I'd say, 'I made a fucking mistake.  I'm sorry.'

And I'd make up the fucking damage.  I'd pay."  My fucking mistake made me $500 fucking million dollars and you don't even say you're sorry?  You say, "Guess what?"  And this is what the fucking thing does.  It just plays the same game over and over again.

And we're going now to the congresses.  Toward the end of this eight years, and I'm like off auditing, you know -- I finished OT5 finally -- and I said, "I don't want any more of this shit."  And nobody even said, "Take OT7," because apparently I'm in the middle of four fucking actions, and nobody knows what to do. 

So I'm in the middle of L10 -- I could tell you about L10 -- L10 is a story in itself -- so just know that they used my fucking wins on the Ls --

and the Ls are what fucked me up in Scientology. *

So I say, "Fuck it.  I'll buy these congresses.  It's only a couple of thousand bucks, and I got something to do.  I'll get in shape.  I'll listen to the congress and go for a walk."  I was one of the first people to finish the congresses.  And I get up early.  I get up at 5:00 a.m.  And I just get up.  And I'd take the dog and I'd go and listen to three tapes, and walk for an hour or two, and do the thing.  That's how I got through the congresses.  And the congresses are part of what got me out of Scientology. 

Because if you listen to those fucking congresses, it goes like this:  "Hi, everybody.  I'm LRH. I'm very happy you're here.  Listen, I've got great fucking news.  We've got Clear handled! 

And you'll do this thing, and it's this new technology, and here's the realization, and this is fool-proof, and this is it.  And now welcome to 1964!"  Because apparently the fucking thing didn't work in Dianetics.  Even though nobody said it didn't,  But they were always trying to perfect Clear. 

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*  Marty Rathbun, "Mark 'Marty' Rathbun's Place:

To compound the compounded felony Miscavige’s minions are boasting about putting the quickied Grades pc straight onto the Ls Rundowns. The L’s compilation is an overt product that has been known to Miscavige as so confusing as to be the number two cause of failed and severely complicated cases in Scientology. The L’s have been on the “compilations correction line up” as a top priority for nearly twenty years. The simplicity of how the Ls create as many botched and failed cases as they have advanced cases is mind boggling. It too has been reported to Miscavige directly. He refuses to fix it, and instead promotes it to cases incessantly, knowing that a good fifty percent of them will wind up spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in endless reviews, and a good percentage of those ultimately will blow off from Scientology severely disaffected.

The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology," by L. Ron Hubbard

The L Rundowns / L10 OVERTS BY DYNAMICS R/D

FIRST DYNAMIC

1. Have you ever denied yourself an opportunity?
2. Is there something you haven’t let yourself have?
3. Have you ever deliberately made someone think badly of you?
4. Have you ever made someone punish you?
5. Have you ever distrusted yourself?
6. Have you ever made yourself sick?
7. Have you ever deliberately hurt yourself?
8. What haven’t you let yourself do?
9. Have you ever considered anything to be “Much too good for you”?
10. Have you ever hated yourself?
11. Have you ever decided you were unworthy of your friends? family? job?
12. Have you ever prevented yourself from accomplishing something?
13. What haven’t you let yourself feel?
14. What haven’t you let yourself think?
15. Have you ever restrained yourself from a desired sexual experience?
16. Is there anything you won’t let yourself eat? drink?
17. What won’t you let yourself see? hear? touch?
18. What won’t you let yourself understand?
19. Have you ever attempted suicide?
20. Have you ever misused a body part?
21. Have you ever punished yourself?
22. Have you ever lied to yourself?
23. Have you ever failed to care for a body part?

2ND DYNAMIC (Family)

1. Have you ever been a disturbing element in a family?
2. Have you ever joined a family out of revenge?
3. Have you ever disowned a member of your family?
4. Have you ever gotten a relative into trouble?
5. Have you ever worked against your family?
6. Have you ever badly raised a child?
7. Have you failed to provide for a child of yours?
8. Have you ever split up a family?
9. Have you ever had a bastard?
10. Have you ever passed off a bastard as legitimate?
11. Have you ever claimed a blood-relationship you didn’t have ?
12. Have you ever forced a child into an unsuitable profession?
13. Have you ever forced a child into a loveless marriage?
14. Have you ever interfered with an inheritance?
15. Have you ever had a member of your family incarcerated?
16. Have you ever had an abortion?
17. Have you ever exposed an infant?
18. Have you ever physically injured a relative?
19. Have you neglected your child’s education?
20. Have you caused hostile factions within a family?
21. Have you ever lived parasitically on your family?

SECOND DYNAMIC (Sex)

1. Have you ever sexually aroused someone and then not satisfied him (her)?
2. Have you ever been sexually aroused by an object?
3. Have you ever aroused another sexually with an object?
4. Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong age?
5. Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong sex?
6. Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong class?
7. Have you ever made love to a person of the wrong race?
8. Have you ever made love to a creature of the wrong species?
9. Have you ever made love to someone who belonged to another?
10. Have you ever taught another perverted sexual practices?
11. Have you ever invented perverted sexual practices?
12. Have you ever used sex unethically?
13. Have you ever made love to a person you disliked?
14. Have you ever used the wrong body part for intercourse?
15. Have you ever caused someone to be castrated?
16. Have you ever made someone’s body more exciting by warping or distorting it?
17. Have you ever raped anyone?
18. Have you ever failed to have intercourse with someone you should have?
19. Have you ever had sex with a member of your own family?
20. Have you ever made love to a person of your own sex?
21. Is there anything about your sex life that would be unsafe to reveal?
22. Have you ever misused sex?
23. Have you ever withheld sex?
24. Have you ever stood up a date?

THIRD DYNAMIC

1. Have you ever joined a group without being qualified?
2. Have you ever given a group less than you received from it?
3. Have you ever split a group into factions?
4. Have you ever perverted the purpose of a group?
5. Have you ever made a group too dependent on you, and then left?
6. Have you ever belonged to a secret society?
7. Have you ever gone over to the other side?
8. Have you ever been an informer?
9. Have you ever brought your group into disrepute?
10. Have you ever weakened your group?
11. Have you ever been a spy?
12. Have you ever been a double agent?
13. Have you ever permitted your group to be wiped out?
14. Have you ever joined a group you considered bad?
15. Have you ever given a group bad leadership?
16. Have you ever given a group bad service?
17. Have you ever provided badly for your group?
18. Have you ever made your side lose?
19. Have you ever injured the survival of a fellow group member?
20. Have you ever enturbulated a group?
21. Have you ever done anything to a group?
22. Have you ever destroyed or reduced the survival of your own group?

FOURTH DYNAMIC

1. Have you ever treated a member of your species like an animal? a machine?
2. Have you ever made territory uninhabitable?
3. Have you ever resigned from the human race?
4. Have you ever pretended to be a human being?
5. Have you ever done anything to keep mankind from uniting?
6. Have you ever tried to exterminate a species?
7. Have you ever pretended to be a member of a different species?
8. Have you ever denied a species a place to live?
9. Have you ever prevented a species form reproducing?
10. Have you ever perverted the purpose of a species?
11. Have you ever kept your own species ignorant?
12. Have you ever eaten a member of your own species?
13. Have you tried to start a war among your own species?
14. Is there anything you’ve done to a species that would be unsafe for you to reveal?

FIFTH DYNAMIC

1. Have you ever treated living creatures like objects? machines?
2. Have you ever damaged crops?
3. Have you ever used bad breeding stock?
4. Have you ever eliminated good breeding stock?
5. Have you ever crippled or killed living creatures for fun?
6. Have you ever cut down trees without replanting?
7. Have you ever let weeds take over cultivated areas?
8. Have you ever failed to fertilize crops?
9. Have you failed to provide water for livestock? crops?
10. Have you ever put life forms to strange uses?
11. Have you ever polluted water sources?
12. Have you ever killed off a useful species faster than it could breed?
13. Have you ever abused a living creature?
14. Have you ever castrated or spayed domestic animals?
15. Have you ever bred warped life forms?
16. What life forms have you eaten?
17. What life forms have you fed to other life forms?
18. Have you ever kept a life form in an unsuitable environment?
19. Have you ever destroyed other life forms?

SIXTH DYNAMIC

1. Have you ever failed to maintain a machine properly?
2. Have you ever destroyed a useful object? beautiful object?
3. Have you ever hid an object?
4. Have you ever made harmful combinations of matter?
5. Have you ever wasted metals? chemicals? inorganic materials?
6. Have you ever misused a tool? machine?
7. Have you ever forgotten how to build something?
8. Have you ever perverted the use of a scientific discovery?
9. Have you ever built something destructive?
10. Have you ever built something that didn’t work?
11. Have you ever made an ugly “work of art”?
12. Have you ever put things too far apart?
13. Have you ever put things too close together?
14. Have you ever made a location a mystery?
15. Have you ever misplaced something in time?
16. Have you ever forgotten a place?
17. Have you ever made an object mysterious?
18. Have you ever made something vanish?
19. Have you ever made something imperceptible?
20. Have you ever misapplied energy?

SEVENTH DYNAMIC

1. Have you ever denied the existence of Beings?
2. Have you ever made people believe they weren’t Beings?
3. Have you ever persuaded others some thoughts are bad?
4. Have you ever made a Being believe he was evil?
5. Have you ever made another forget?
6. Have you ever forced a beingness on another?
7. Have you ever made another believe he was somewhere else?
8. Have you ever made another believe he was in a different time?
9. Have you ever made another believe he was someone else?
10. Have you ever confused another’s memory?
11. Have you ever persuaded another there were things he must resist?
12. Have you ever prevented another from perceiving?
13. Have you ever prevented another from being something?
14. Have you ever convinced another his postulates didn’t work?
15. Have you ever made another experience something he didn’t wish to?
16. Have you ever convinced another that he was weak?
17. Have you ever convinced another that he was incompetent?
18. Have you ever convinced another that he was insane?
19. Have you ever convinced another that he was stupid?
20. Have you ever convinced another that he was dishonorable?
21. Have you ever driven another insane?
22. Have you ever enslaved another?

EIGHTH DYNAMIC

1. Have you ever doubted the truth of your religion?
2. Have you ever desecrated a holy place? sacred object?
3. Have you ever disobeyed God’s commandments?
4. Have you ever failed to perform your religious duties?
5. Have you ever neglected an opportunity to save a sinner?
6. Have you ever been disrespectful to a holy person?
7. Have you ever compromised your religious convictions?
8. Have you ever attacked a religion?
9. Have you ever tolerated a bad religion?
10. Have you ever perverted a religion?
11. Have you thought evil thoughts?
12. Have you ever concealed (denied) your religion?
13. Have you ever changed your religion?
14. Have you ever committed a sin?
15. Have you ever convinced others that some things are unknowable?
16. Have you ever convinced another that there were effects he couldn’t create?
17. Have you ever convinced another there were places he couldn’t be?
18. Have you ever convinced another that there were Beings with whom he couldn’t communicate?
19. Have you ever convinced another that some things cannot be communicated?
20. Have you ever convinced another there were places he couldn’t leave?
21. Have you ever persuaded another that he never created anything?

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