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HOW I GOT INTO SCIENTOLOGY AND WHY I GOT OUT -- ILLUSTRATED INTERVIEW WITH JASON BEGHE

A congress is a meeting that LRH had, starting in the early 1960s, and he would get a group of people together and he would give a series of lectures on "X."  And usually it was all about Clearing.  All the congresses had to do with Clearing.  Remember that I'm talking about the congresses. 

I'm going to give you an unabridged version.  Is that okay?

Q.  Sure.

A.  You sure?  When I was in that TRs course, my very first week in Scientology -- now again, I'm an actor, so communication is something I kind of do for a living -- and so that's a whole course about communication.  So I thought I'm pretty good at this naturally.  And one of the exercises they use is Alice in Wonderland, which is full of these wild kind of sentences, and you take it, you read it to yourself, then you deliver it as your own.  That's a TR1.  A TR2 is properly acknowledge somebody.  So they say, "Off with your head," and you say, "Thank you" to make sure they know it, and end it, and there's all these other things.  Now, here I was doing this TR, and it happened to be TR2.  And somebody said, "Off with your head," and I said, "My God!" and they flunked me. And I said, "Why?"  And they said, "Because it's just supposed to be 'thank you.'"  I said, "No.  Read the fucking thing.  It says 'appropriate acknowledgment.'  If somebody says, 'Off with your head' -- why do you think he chose Alice in Wonderland?'" And they bring the head technical person of the place, and they're all invalidating the shit out of me, and I'm sticking to my guns.  I finally am crying, and I said, "You guys are fucking wrong!  Who the fuck talks like that? 'Thank you.  I got it.  Okay.  Good.  Wow.'  That would be way too much, 'Wow.  I totally duplicate that.'" 

This is the way you're supposed to talk.  I'm really talking to you, but do you see how I'm not?  So this is perfect in terms of their idea.  'Alright, I got it.'  So that was GOOD TR.  It wasn't excellent.  Excellent TRs is more like this:  you know, you're really conversational, but I'm not moving, and I'm really looking at you ready for everything, and I don't blink and your eyes stink. 

So it's that kind of fucking deal.  Sum gum war sue up.  That's just a private joke.  You know that one, right?  Moo gum guy pan.  These are words so you can talk gibberish in Scientology to help you learn your TRs.  And one of the things written down is sum gum war sue up.  That's not a sentence.  It's written like Chinese, "Sum." 

Anyway, so I'm in there and I'm fucking crying and shit, blah blah blah.  So finally I stop and I toe the line, and I'm "Thank you.  Okay.  Good." 

And then about four years later, in some event, COB David Miscavige says, "Hey, there's been this big breakthrough in this Gold major tech -- fucking piece of shit! -- and here's the real thing!  People have been doing the improper acknowledgement.  You're supposed to have, it says 'appropriate acknowledgement.'"  And they have LRH on tape saying, you know, somebody says "Off with your head," and he goes, "My God!  That's the right way to do it!"  So here I was, this guy, first day of school and I had it right.

Now, Cut 2.  You're asking me how I got out.  So I'm in the fucking thing, and they keep telling me I gotta do this action.  And I gotta do this.  And you gotta do this sec checking, and all this shit.  And I'm like "You fucking people! I wouldn't show up here if I wasn't ready."  And they would be sec checking, which is basically asking me for my crimes, and charging me thousands -- I probably paid $50,000 in sec checks to get this shit together -- because everything was fucked up, so it must be that I'M fucked up.  And I kept saying, "These sec checks are killing me!"  * And they'd say, "This is the standard tech now.  This is the gold major tech."  And I finally said, "You know something motherfuckers? 

I don't care!  You could get LRH to fly down here, back from fucking Target 2, and tell me that I am fucking doing it wrong.  I am not going in session and doing this shit.  You guys are fucking killing me!  I am here to tell you:  YOU ARE FUCKING ME UP!  So I'm out of here until you fucking wake up.  Okay?" 

And then they'd come back to my house and they're offering me free auditing.  I said, "Show me where free auditing is standard?  You're not giving me standard tech, and now you want to fix it by moron standard shit?  Get the fuck out of here!" You ask Griffee Blythe and the whole rest of those motherfuckers at AO if this is a lie. 

It's the fucking truth.  And I'm out!  And I just went on course because I couldn't take any more of this fucking auditing.  It was killing me. 

So then they come out with this thing, "Jason, you HAVE to see this!" 

I wouldn't even go to events, because me, I'm at an event, and everybody's like, "Hey, how you doing?"  And I go, "GOOD!

I just couldn't fucking lie anymore.  I'm ready to fucking die!  And I told them, "I'm not going.  I can't participate."  Because my role was like "Jason Beghe!" 

I couldn't be like "Yeah, well, to tell you the truth, I'm fucked up!  I hate OT5, and everything's going fucking shitty, and it's not fucking working, and it's costing me a shitload of money!  And I'm more unhappy than I've ever been in my entire fucking life!

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*  See "The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology," by L. Ron Hubbard

Another Sec Check

1. Do you lie about yourself?
2. Do you suppress yourself in some way?
3. Do you suppress life?
4. Do you connect yourself with bad influences?
5. Do you connect up with bad memories?
6. Is there some connection you wont let go of?
7. Do you always act in a certain way?
8. Do you own your loyalty to no one?
9. Are you doing yourself in?
10. Do you ant to or intend to do yourself in?
11. Are you on a succumb?
12. Do you wish to succumb?
13. Do you plan to let yourself go unrestrained?
14. Have you ever sought revenge on your family?
15. Have you ever done a family member in?
16. Have you made someone in your family guilty?
17. Have you ever brutalized another with sex?
18. Is sex destructive?
19. Is love harmful?
20. Are you best left alone?
21. Is rape justifiable?
22. Do you hold the opposite sex in contempt?
23. Are women stupid?
24. Do you lie about sex?
25. Do you have a secret desire to annihilate the opposite sex?
26. Is violence justifiable on a woman?
27. Are you implanted to feel a certain way about sex?
28. Do you have a dirty mind?
29. Are groups worthwhile?
30. Is there a leader you’ve done in?
31. Do you have a secret hatred towards groups?
32. Are you desirous of a group’s support?
33. Have you let any group die off?
34. Are groups better left to followers?
35. Are you spied on?
36. Is someone after you?
37. Do you have an evil impulse towards any group?
38. How long should any group last?
39. What makes a group fail?
40. Do you plan to seed the growth of unrest in any group?
41. Do you judge people by race?
42. Are certain religions harmful?
43. Is there any race you have it in for?
44. Does it pay to be destructive?
45. How powerful do ;you have to be to be successful?
46. What connection is sacred?
47. What part of mankind is harmful?
48. Have you justified a destruction of a race?
49. ARe other people necessary?
50. Is there some object you are connected with?
51. Is there a certain time period you dwell upon?
52. Is there something your energy is absorbed in?
53. Is there a space you are forbidden in?
54. Are spirits evil?
55. Is your spirituality threatened?
56. Are spirits overpowering?
57. Have you squashed a thetan out of existence?
58. Has your existence been questioned?
59. Have you lost out to a body?
60. Do you seek revenge against a spirit or thetan?
61. Are you a traitor?
62. Is your cause lost?
63. Do you intend to create havoc?
64. Is life worth living?
65. Are people better off dead?
66. What makes people insane?
67. Why are people suspicious?
68. Is there a past life that was a failure?
69. Is there a past life that was important?
70. Is there a past life that you can’t talk about?
71. Is there a past life that was evil?
72. What past life was critical?
73. What past life was suspicious?
74. Are you facing eternity with lack of hope?
75. Is eternity a dreaded matter?
76. What would move you to violence?
77. What motivates mankind?
78. Are you motivated by any impulse?
79. Why do people hate?
80. Is your survival dependent on an outside source?
81. Is your destiny decided by someone else?
82. Should you be punished forever?
83. Will all be the same?
84. How can you be stopped?
85. How can you be made nothing of?
86. Is there hope for man?
87. Has this all been run on someone else?
88. Are you waiting for something magical to happen?
89. Have you decided it was a waste?
90. Do you intend to make trouble after the auditing?

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