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HOW I GOT INTO SCIENTOLOGY AND WHY I GOT OUT -- ILLUSTRATED INTERVIEW WITH JASON BEGHE |
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Well, in other words, I was born in 1960. Scientology was developed in 1952 but before our age was doing Dianetics -- I'm having a moment.
See, this is part of the moments of coming out of Scientology, for me at least. I think it might be something common to a lot of people. But there are moments where you just feel a loss. And it's not a loss of "I miss Scientology," by any stretch. It's a regret of having invested so much in something that is empty.
And so there are these moments, and I just had one, where you just go, "Whoooo." So at any rate, a Past Life Clear would be somebody, even though LRH says absolutes are unattainable, that's a state that he called a Homo Novus. You're not even a human being or a homo sapien anymore. "Homo Sap" as he calls it. You're a Homo Novus, which would be "New Man" in Latin. So it's a new state on the evolutionary track. So I'm more evolved than regular mortal humans.
I was declared to have been somebody who had gone Clear in a past life, which would have been my last life. Q. Even though, supposedly, the tech wasn't there for you to go Clear. A. Well, no, you can go Clear. Dianetics was written in 1950. And he was talking about the state of Clear in Dianetics. I personally believe that there is always something being re-released, because it was not quite correctly done or understood. And all of the people who went Clear last lifetime, even though they may have been OT8s, were pulled back in, because in New Era Dianetics -- which was a later way of going Clear -- there were different criteria for what was a Clear and getting rid of an engram -- which is a whole thing -- and so you had to go in and get all the postulates off. Q. And what were you supposed to achieve as a Clear? A. Well, here's the thing. This is a funny thing for me. If you read Dianetics, the state of Clear is somebody who is never likely to get sick. He has a perfect memory. It's even intimated -- and this was in 1950 -- that he could be immortal. He may never die. It's pretty funny. So that's what the state of Clear is. They define it as "No longer has his own reactive mind," which is a rigged game to get somebody to take OT levels, which is their real money maker. There's a guy on the Internet, apparently he was saying I'll give you a million bucks if you can demonstrate OT. I'll give a million bucks to anybody who can demonstrate Clear. There's no Clear. There's no Clear! Just looking in Dianetics, there is no Clear. Clear is basically what? Are you kidding me? Clear? So that's what I was going for. It's too good to be true. And that's basically it. And that goes back to that feeling of loss, because -- you know what it is, I'm sorry to say, and I'm actually realizing something for myself right now, because this is cathartic in a way for me -- it's the same feeling, that loss is the feeling that I got -- Like I'm no stupid guy. I grew up in New York City, and I never got mugged, and I've been through some serious bad neighborhoods. But I remember one time I was living on my own down in the Village, and I saw this guy running across the street, and he had a VCR -- this is back when VCRs were a new thing, like a plasma TV or something -- and he'd obviously stolen the thing. And he's like, "Hey, you can have this for $50." And I bought it. I took it home and it was full of bricks and shit. And I felt I got conned. And that's the feeling of loss. Because going back, you're asking me about Clear, it's a con. It's a con.
And this is way segueing, and I don't know if it will be interesting. But there's a book LRH wrote called "The History of Man." And he talks about a lot of these traps that can catch a Thetan, which is something that has no matter, space, time or location. But it can catch a Thetan. But he's got interest and curiosity, right? And so there are these things called Theta traps. And the best Theta traps are the ones that the Thetan runs on auto pilot.
Like if I'm trying to enslave somebody, the last thing I want to do is have to worry about keeping the key and the lock. The best locks, you get a guy who keeps himself in jail, right? And that's what Scientology does. You just keep yourself in jail. And that's it. It's a perfect Theta trap, because you believe it, and you're investing your time and your money, so you can't be a fool. That's too much to "confront."
PERCEPTION AND UNREALITY -- INSIDE THE ORG Q. When you were a kid, you said you were able to look at your dad or your uncle, and you could really perceive them, and understand them and know them. When you looked around at people in the Org, and you trusted them, do you think that there was a misperception there? A. Well, I gotta be honest. The more I got in, the stupider I got. As I get out, that's my perception. I mean, Christ, you don't even ask questions! That's what I was trying to remember the other day that I was going to say that I had forgotten.
Like this thing. They made me a commissioner of CCHR -- I'm talking to Tory -- Q. And the CCHR is --? A. Citizen's Commission on Human Rights. This is a way to try and destroy psychiatry and psychology. And I was like, "Fine, I don't give a shit." They put my name on their stationery, and I'm like fine, it got me out of an ethics cycle or something. So I said, "Okay." But I would go, and I always had questions. Because even L. Ron Hubbard, he would always call the psyches, and he would rail about them, and how terrible they are, the sole course of destruction.
And I kept saying, "His own technology keeps saying that's a generalization: the psyches. Who?" "Psyches on the whole track." "That means all psychiatrists for billions of years in the history of Theta. You know, it's so general." And that's a characteristic of a suppressive person, one who speaks in generalities. And another one is a person who has overts, which are sins or crimes committed. This is somebody who is antagonistic or angry. And he seemed very antagonistic and angry about psyches. So I was thinking he must have overts on him. And he's speaking about them in generalities. But the thing I was thinking about is that I went over to CCHR, and got tours ad infinitum by the director, Jan Eastgate, and I'd ask questions, and she'd write me up in ethics chits and shit. And I said, "Fine, yeah, I got the question. I don't fucking know." But I would say, "If you want me to represent Scientology's viewpoint, and you go to their museum, it's all 'the psyches are bad; the psyches are bad; this is a bad thing; and Hitler; and they're responsible for child pornography and rape; and it's all the psyches.'" And I say, "Okay, that's their viewpoint. But if I'm going to get into a discussion, if you want to prepare me to be a spokesman for this shit, I gotta know the other side." And I kept asking, "Can you give me the other side?" And they won't give it to you!
And every time I would push it, I'd be like, "Honey, there's no way to get into the argument. If all this is true, there wouldn't be anything. I've got to know their viewpoint. How am I going to win the argument?" You know what I mean? And they wouldn't give me the viewpoint. And then they started to write me up, because I'm doubting. I'm not saying I'm doubting or not, I'm just waiting for the data. And there's this whole big thing about learning how to think correctly. There's this course called "The Data Series," that basically you have to get all the data. They won't give you any fucking data on certain things. And especially about this. There is nothing written in all the tomes of Scientology about psychiatry. Nothing other than "The psyches are responsible for all your sexual problems because they implanted you, as a Thetan, so many years ago."
And I realized that in my research of OT10. "Oh, well, then it must be true, cause LRH says it's so." You see how at a certain point you get conned? And I was saying, "Where's the fucking data?" And nobody is allowed to tell you anything.
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