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HOW I GOT INTO SCIENTOLOGY AND WHY I GOT OUT -- ILLUSTRATED INTERVIEW WITH JASON BEGHE |
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Maybe that was the hidden deep shit.
I'm looking at my kid, he's five years old. He's a happy fucking guy. He's not fucked up yet. He might get fucked up later. Q. Are you sure you were fucked up? Maybe you were just PTS to an SP. A. Well, that's what I'm saying. And that's another thing. I had this big fucking car accident. In the middle of OT5 I nearly died. I was in a coma for 3-1/2 weeks. Everybody thought I was going to die. So of course, we've got to find my PTS terminal. That happened 8-1/2 years ago. And I got out of Scientology a year ago. In the last 7-1/2 years in Scientology, still no PTS item until I finally said, "It's you guys."
And they couldn't deny it. I said, "Look at the data." "Are you sure it's not that person? He's gay," somebody told me. I mean, that's how naive some of these people are. That's an RTC Terminal, which is like the gold standard of technical perfection, and they think that's a homosexual. So they believe that homosexuals are all 1.1. Q. They still believe that? A. There's some that do. I never believed that. I interpreted it differently. But it was something where I had to do some mental gymnastics in order to make it work. Q. Well, that's what Hubbard wrote, though, that they were 1.1. A. Well, it's debatable. Well, I know that he said something like "You're homosexuals" when he's saying the 1.1. So I don't know if it's all homosexuals or what. Q. Yet, the Church has said that they no longer think negatively about homosexuals. A. I've never heard the word "faggot" more than when I hang around the people at Gold, until the point where I said, "I don't like it. My brother's gay, and he sure ain't 1.1. I've got great friends of mine that are gay. You're telling me that Leonard da Vinci is 1.1? I don't think so. If he's covertly hostile, I mean he's got so much that he did that was good, that as much hostility as he may have exuded, I think he made up for it." I don't buy it. I never bought it. And again, in my own universe, when I was in it --
part of the thing when you're in it is that LRH is this super duper guy. So you make him into your own super duper guy, I suppose. Q. If you're looking at the current management, David Miscavige COB, and you're thinking, "Well, is he in it for the money?" what's your view of L. Ron Hubbard now? A. Again, I don't have all the data. I read some of the books that are critical. "Bare-faced Messiah" and "Madman or Messiah" and "Piece of Blue Sky." And then there's stories. So I don't know if all that's true. But it's consistent. One of the ways for me that I can detect something is true or false is inconsistencies. You say the guy wore blue shoes and here's a picture of him in red shoes. So I never saw anything inconsistent. I didn't see it with my own eyes, but the person seems reliable. But again, here I am, I'm just pulling out of this thing, and I thought LRH was reliable. And I don't think so now. And you look at the whole death, and the death certificate, and all this stuff, it's hard to argue with. And you know, his kids. Like my wife. My wife is an interesting person to talk to as well, because she's Class 4, OT5. But she's one of those people who could probably do heroin for a year, and just say, "You know what, it's making me too skinny," and just put it down. You know what I mean? And everybody loved her -- I mean, she was Jason Beghe's wife to some degree over there -- but she's a remarkable person in her own right. And one of the ways is that she's one of those people you just can't brainwash.
So when she got out, it was kind of like, you know, "That's it!" We didn't even talk about it. I said, "You know, honey, I'm thinking about doing this thing." I think she was like, "Okay. Fine. Whatever." Flip the burger. Because she had always pointed out things that were inconsistent also. Q. Like what? A. Like all these fucking OTs that aren't OT.
Like "That's a fucking OT?"
Q. And what's an OT supposed to be? A. Somebody who is at least able. Somebody who can walk and chew gum. I mean, there's people who are "OT" that are some of the most incompetent, stupid people. My definition of "stupid" doesn't have anything to do with data or education. I'm talking about people who put their hand on the stove and go, "Hey! Hey! Hey! My hand's hot! My hand is hot!" I'm talking about that kind of stupid. Like unreal. What's wrong with you? There's some real dopes. But they have money, and they're successful, and they feel good about themselves. Because they're on 7.
"Well, I'm on 7 now. It's fucking great. I gotta tell you, you gotta get on 7." It's that kind of thing. And it gives them a thing. And I talked to [inaudible] and I said, "What the fuck? What is that?" Because these people, I might have had an issue with them, and they'll write me up and bring me to ethics. I got to handle this thing. And to the thing they wrote up I'd say, "What do you want me to say? It's true I guess." And they go, "Well, you know." I'm not going to say the name. You know who he is. I go, "Yeah." "Okay. We just had to bring it in because it's written up. Do you want to write anything?" "I don't give a fuck. Put it in the folder." Do you understand what I'm saying? So that was some of the stuff that she would go nutty on. And even me, here I was, I told you the further I went up the Bridge, the more "casey" I became. You know, I met this girl, and she could see the more I did this shit, I wasn't handling dick. JUMPING OFF THE BRIDGE Q. So once you left, how did you leave? A. They wouldn't let me leave. They just kept saying, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no." So I said, "Okay, give me my money back." And what I had was money on account. And per their policy, if you asked for your money, that was it. Q. And they did give it back? A. They gave my wife's money back. They offered to give me my money back, and they want me to sign a piece of paper that says I have no further claim against them.
And I told them I can't do that, because I feel I do. I don't have the time or the money to get into a legal battle -- even though it's a million dollars they owe me conservatively, and in this country you do pain and suffering and maybe I can get a couple of extra bucks -- I just don't -- Q. It's tough to litigate Scientology. A. Yeah, but I'm not going to sign some paper. It's just my own integrity. I couldn't say that. Q. So what's happened since you left Scientology? I was talking to your wife a little bit earlier, and she was talking about the friends cut off from her, those who are still in Scientology. A. Yeah. You know. Jesus. I got a little son, too. And he was in a little Scientology school. And he was four at the time. And we moved. So we were in the process of moving, and we moved to this big property out here -- it's a big different thing, and it's a long, long way away -- and they kicked him out of school. Q. It was a Scientology school. A. Yeah, they kicked him out. So he had nothing to do, and it fucked him up because, "Why can't I see my friends?" And that was all his friends. And this was a time when mom and dad were really busy. I'm working. We've got a little tiny infant at the time. And we're moving to an enormous thing. And plus, this whole place you're in, was under construction. There was a period when we were in one of those Airstream type of things. And nothing for him to do. Our friends? I could see I was pulling away. I'm kind of an anti-social personality anyway, so I don't really hang around people. But my wife, with the kids and stuff. I remember a wonderful girl, Kelly Daniels, terrific chick, she found out, some ethics person told her, and she was just inconsolable. So I know there are a lot of broken hearts on the other side. And now there's not. I saw some fucking kid that I hardly know -- I do voice-overs, too -- so I went to a voice-over, and there was some kid from Scientology. And usually if I'd see him at a voice-over, he'd be like, "Hey, Jason!"
And he went --
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