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HOW I GOT INTO SCIENTOLOGY AND WHY I GOT OUT -- ILLUSTRATED INTERVIEW WITH JASON BEGHE |
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and I said, "You fucking punk!" That's all I said to him. You see, that's it in a nutshell. Both of them are a lie: the "Jason!" because we're Scientologists, and the [turns away] because you're out. Like Tory's husband left her.
These people, their families are destroyed. There's the proof. There's the proof! You're incapable of being a good friend if you're a Scientologist, because you're a Scientologist.
And "Jason Beghe the Scientologist" is willing to lose David, is willing to sacrifice certainly the quality of my relationship with mom and dad and brothers and sisters, and God knows who else I could have made friends with who weren't Scientologists, because maybe they just didn't understand. And the most important thing in my life, again, going back to who I was as a kid, was a guy who was interested in people. And I wasn't judging people. I was just willing to be them. And maybe that's why I became an actor. And I grew up in New York. And I was like, this is people, people, people. Every day, growing up, I would meet somebody. You're on the subway. And now people go to the Home Depot with me, and we go, and I hang, and we talk, and we do a thing. That's who I am. And to some degree, you're not able to communicate, because you've got a bubble around yourself. And another thing that made it a little easier for me to get out of Scientology than other people, was that I would always look at the religion side. Because, again, I was always interested in religion. And when they get exclusive, you got to wonder. I don't have anything against anybody's religion. It's fine. But the evangelicals are the only ones going to heaven. And the Muslims are the only ones going to Allah, or whatever. And the Scientologists are the only people who know. Then I go, "Well, I don't think so." It doesn't make sense to me. One of the things that took the biggest hits is religion in this century. It fucked up a lot of people. You know, World War I was a vicious, awful war, different than others, with gases, and mustard gas, and it was terrible. And people were slaughtered. And it fucked up a lot of Germans and Americans when they'd go and see their bodies, and they saw that they had the same Bible. And they said, "Whoa! I thought God was on my side." So when things are bringing people further away from others, and distancing them --
and Scientology to the degree that I'm a different species -- "You're a WOG, I'm a homo novus, and I'm a homo novus enough to be loving of you" -- you see what I'm saying? That's pretty bad. And then you look at that and radical Islam, it's not that different. Q. And yet Scientology says that they're not exclusive, that you can certainly be any other religion, and be a Scientologist. A. Let me tell you something. I talked to many, many, many Terminals about this.
Because after a certain point, when I'm down on the fucking bottom after going through this -- And I've never complained about money. And I'm not rich. But I never complained about it. You never had to beg me for a fucking thing. I'd go throw down. When I was ready to do it, I'd say, "Let's go." And if I wasn't ready it wasn't because I didn't have the bread. If I'm going to fucking do this thing, I'm going to do it. And I got to be behind it. And that's where I was at as a Scientologist. You know why they need all this money? You know what their real goal is? It's to Clear the planet. And you know what the good news is? We only have to clear about 3/4 of it. And just the fact of us being so Theta, the other 1/4 will just Clear instantly, and the SPs will crumble. You saw the little wicked witch when she got water thrown on her? That's what will happen to the SP. "Eeeeehhhh!"
Because after a while you start feeling like, "Hey man. This isn't a little mistake. That cost me $50,000." And when you do that a couple of thousand times you say, "Hey, I'm getting pissssed. That's a lot of monneyyy!" And I said, "Where's the money going?" And nobody ever gives you a fucking answer. And then, "We're trying to Clear the planet." I said, "Babies, I've got news for you. There's no fucking way. You can't fucking Clear Beverly Hills with these prices. There's no fucking way. It's physically impossible. Like they say Obama and Clinton can't reach the number? There's no way. There's not enough money. It can't be done. So that's a lie. They're not trying to Clear any fucking planet. And if they are, the price is going to have to go so far down, I said, "I'll wait then. I'll do it next lifetime when it's $250 to go Clear. Because I can wait another 40 years. And it'll save me a million bucks, and I'd rather my own kid go to private school. So, fuck it! * CELEBRITY CENTERED Q. How are celebrities treated inside Scientology? A. All I know is how I was treated, and my peers, who I hung out with. I know that it's a lot different. Actually, I do. Like this was another question for me. Like, here I was. I had Ray Mithoff, who is the head, top auditor on the planet, the senior CS International. I had RTC technicians, people, in L.A. And I had my own auditor, the CS, the Senior CS. And then they would all go over my folder. And they'd send it to Richard Reese at Flag, who is the Senior CS at Flag. And they'd go over it. Do you know how long it took me to get a fucking CS? Like I'd do a thing, and I'd make an origination like: "I'm not sure I like this." My next session would be about a month later, because they couldn't fucking handle it. Because there were so many vias on the com line. So how was I handled? I was handled with the best attention ever. And I said, "If this is the best of the best" -- that's what I was saying to them at the end -- "If you're the best motherfuckers in the world, and you admitted you fucked the shit out of me, what happens to poor Schmo at Orange County Org when you first say, 'You just need ethics' or some fucking thing." He's still stuck in some ethics cycle going, [like a retarded person] "Where are you from?"
Because they fucked him up. And they say, "NO, YOU NEED MORE SEC CHECKING!"
And he can't afford it. And it's not even the right fucking thing! These guys don't know what they are doing. They're fucking hoping. And the fucking crime of the bitch is them saying, "Aha! We're going to work this out. I'm going to put in a little oregano." And the other guy says, "too much salt." And "Here's your folder." And of course, "We've got it CSed and ready to go." And I'd be like, "This fucking sucks! It's the wrong fucking item!" And your needle's floating which indicates that it is the wrong item. And you go right back to the motherfuckers for another month.
And meanwhile, I've already bought $100,000 worth of auditing.
And it's more going through this thing. Then it's like talking about some stupid fucking overts to start, because I haven't had a session. "Well, I masturbated." And you're coming up with like -- who the fucking cares? I got nothing! It's not like I'm fucking killing people or beating my children or something. "You know what I do? Oooh, Internet porn. And I don't know. I got mad at work." You got nothing to fucking say! And this is it! And that'll eat the whole cock-sucking thing. It's just fucking unbelievable! Q. Celebrities are used heavily for recruiting, and they recruit young actors coming to town. I see every weekend in Back Stage West, there's now up to five or six ads for different workshops they do. Are you familiar with this at all? A. Yeah, I gave one. They got me to do one once. Yeah, people got interested, and they signed up for courses. Yeah, and they use people to do that. I suppose they are targeting actors. That's what I've understood. It's good public relations for them, I suppose. Or if somebody hits big, it's thanks to Scientology. I know a lot of people who do them. And at first they are very reticent to do some of the things, say some of the things they are pressured to do, in other words, say Scientology, and use the ethics conditions all the time in your career, and these kind of things. But then after they've done a couple of them, they even start to believe it. It's very hard. I mean, these are decent good people. I don't want to say so many alarming things. But how do people get involved in these destructive relationships, just between two people? There's a lot of people who get knocked around and come back. And I doubt the person knocked them around on the first date. It's sad. _______________ Mr. Justice Latey Judgment, Royal Courts of Justice, July, 1984 No recruit or Scientologist can have these services without paying for them. There is no tempering of the wind to a shorn lamb. Scientology claimed recently that they would "clear the planet" within five years. Herein is a paradox. How can they clear all pre-clears when the majority cannot possibly hope to pay? But, I suppose, it is swallowed by the adherents just as everything else is. Their reasoning powers have been blocked out.
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