WINTER SOLDIER -- ILLUSTRATED SCREENPLAY & SCREENCAP GALLERY

Q.  This one might be apropos.  Prisoners thrown from helicopter?

RUSTY SACHS: Yeah, I've seen that.  I've never seen them thrown out of my airplane because it's behind me, but we had a couple of guys from Philadelphia in our squadron who used to blindfold the guys with safety wire, and pull 'em real tight so this copper wire is tearing into their eyes and nose, and bind the hands with safety wire. And they used to have contests seeing how far they could throw the bound bodies out of the airplane, and throw one as far as you can and see if you can get the other one farther.

Q.  If you could approximate how many incidences have you come across this?

RUSTY SACHS:  Of that?  In the two-digit numbers. Say somewhere between 15 and 50, probably.

Q.  Some of these people weren't necessarily Cong or NVA, some could be VCS.

RUSTY SACHS:  You never know, you never know.  If they're alive, they're VCS automatically.  If they're dead, then they're confirmed VC.

Q.  Were you ever issued orders not to take prisoners or disposing them?

RUSTY SACHS:  We were told, "do not count prisoners when you're loading them onboard the aircraft.  Count them when you unload them."  Which the naive young brown bar says, "what difference does it make?"  And the wizened old first lieutenant says "because the numbers may not jibe.  And sure enough, you don't count them when they're getting on, because there was a little bit of a feeling here -- the guy who told me this was a captain -- and he said, "don't ever ever count them when they go aboard because presumably you'd have to say something if one of them got thrown out. 

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Q.  Give your name, what unit you were in in Nam, when you were in the Nam, you know, just tell a little bit about what you saw, to make it more clear exactly what happened. 

SCOTT CAMILE: Sargeant Camile, Scott Camile.

KENNETH CAMPBELL:  You were in Alpha Battery 111. 

SCOTT CAMILE:   Right, right.

KENNETH CAMPBELL:  I know this man.  Singer.  Remember Singer?  I thought I recognized you.  I was just sitting over there trying to figure out who the hell you were.  Last time I saw you was last year, down in La Jeune?, you were still down there.

SCOTT CAMILE:  I got out in '69.

KENNETH CAMPBELL:   [I got out] about a year and a half ago.

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