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5/3/11
[Transcribed by Tara Carreon, American Buddha Online
Librarian, from videos at PART ONE: [Alex] Well, I've got goosebumps with this next guest. It's just incredible information. In early 2002, I was put in touch with Dr. Steve Pieczenik, and I'll give you his bio -- very prestigious -- here in a moment, working under the biggest kingmakers in modern U.S. history, the trifecta: James Baker, George Schultz, Henry Kissinger, and Cyrus Vance, the big three from all of our sources. George Schultz, James Baker -- way above even Kissinger. That's why you don't even see them out there. These are the guys that go right to the elite of the world and are their imperial legates, the people that speak for them, that make the deals with China, with Russia. They're the envoys, they're the above-government power brokers that are the spokesmen of the collective elite, and these top counsels. And he was their deputy: all three of them. And Cyrus Vance as well is high-powered. All four of them. And I got him on the show, and he was also a CFR fellow at the time, and I got him on the show and he just basically said this whole war on terror is a hoax. And he said the intel is that they've got Bin Laden dead on ice, and they're going to roll him out sometime in the future. And I said, "Ice?" And he goes, "Literally."
Then, about a year later at an event, I had a well-known Republican -- part of the Bush Administration -- well-known enough that I knew who they were, call me aside at an event and say, "Listen, this is off record" -- because I was already known then as being someone who can keep secrets if it's off record as a journalist. The more secrets you keep, the more secrets you get. That's why so many pour in: MIAC, Homeland Security Reports, you name it. We're a regular WikiLeaks here. It's just that our info's real and not sprinkled like theirs. Now Dr. Pieczenik came on, and then Hades broke loose after he came on. He said he was on ice, and all this happened. I looked up Pieczenik. I mean, he was there with the Mujahideen, knew these people. Talk about somebody who's living history, he's seen so much of it. But then after, I talked to one White House official, and another person well known to me got it from another White House source -- I'm just going to leave it at that. So two sources that I actually talked to: one on air, one privately, and the other through someone I know for decades who was told the same information. And I said, "This is not a rumor, right?" And they said, "No, he's dead." The intel was it was a cover story the kidney stuff. He reportedly was sick from that. They went ahead and got rid of him because he was putting those letters out saying "I didn't do it." And they wanted to take his identity and have him say he did. But Dr. Pieczenik can correct me if I'm wrong. And they did send in Special Forces. So in a way, it's true, and they killed him and have had him literally frozen. Now they throw him in the ocean, and all this stuff comes out. It's ridiculous. They put out a photo two days ago that was fake. Now they say another one is coming. So all of this is happening.
But a year after I talked to him, these other sources told me the same thing. And then about six months later Madeleine Albright went on Fox News -- we have links to all those articles and videos in our article, "Inside Sources: Bin Laden's corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade." That has all the bibliography there for you. And I'm just prefacing this for you before we go to Dr. Pieczenik because it's so important, and a lot of folks are tuning in and watching right now, a record audience. That Madeline Albright came out and said, "The word is he's on ice." She used that same term, "and they're going to be rolling him out for the election."
Then Walter Cronkite, Bohemian Grove, super high level, hanging out with the top people. That's kind of the Democratic wing. They got word that this was going to happen if Bush needed it.
Then Teresa Heinz Kerry came out as the proxy for her husband and said, "Yeah, this is the word." So that scared Bush into not releasing it.
By the way, I got threats over this, all sorts of dirty tricks when I was pushing this. And then it receded into history for another six or seven years. And now it's back, exactly the script we were told. So if you're a new listener, or if you're the Washington Post, or the New York Times, or New York Magazine, or L.A. Times, attacking me over this -- actually, a few of the articles are actually pretty fair, but some of them are ridiculous, like the New York Magazine, or The Atlantic with Jeff Goldberg. They're attacking us in cartoonish ways. If you're doubting this, look at the history we already have: Benazir Bhutto coming out and saying, "Look, Bin Laden's dead. Stop using him as a pretext to be in Pakistan." A week later she's killed [December 27, 2007: 51 days later]. Our media says she hit her head, and then they release video of her being machine-gunned by the assassin. And the word from Hamid Gul and others formerly out of Pakistani intelligence is, "The White House pulled the trigger on her."
Now our guest is telling us, and our experts start telling us, there is going to be a move against Pakistan in the last month. Then they catch this CIA operative, CNN reports, with the uranium, trying to get it to the Mujahideen, and then blame it on the regular army of Pakistan to build the case to snatch their nukes. Which will bring China in, folks. This could be World War III. So all of that's happening. You have all of these other world leaders who have said this.
Now, I'm going to try to now give the floor to our guest. Dr. Steve Pieczenik served as Deputy Secretary of State and Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz -- talk about knowing where the bodies are buried -- and James Baker. Dr. Pieczenik continues to consult the Department of Defense. He received a Counsel on Foreign Relations Fellowship when he was recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management. In that position, he created the Office of Combat Terrorism, the family liaison. And it just goes on for a long time. Dr. Pieczenik is the author and creator of 26 New York Times best sellers. His experiences in government and international crisis management were the basis of Tom Clancy's characters Jack Ryan and Richard Clark. And the website is StevePieczenik.com. We'll get links up at InfoWars.com. And we're going to skip this network break coming up, this is so important. Dr. Pieczenik, thank you so much for coming on. I'm going to try and sit back, give you the floor to talk about what's currently happened, some of the history involved with these players: Bin Laden who, going back to the interview that you intimately know. Thank you for joining us.
[Dr. Pieczenik] It is a great pleasure and an honor. I want to thank you, Alex. I want to thank what you've said. I think very much of what you said is very accurate. I will correct some of the issues that I think we've talked about. But I want to thank your audience for listening. I want to say how important Alex Jones was after 9/11 when I knew very well at that time that the American public was being deceived and was being treated as if we were fools, stupid, ignorant, and cheats. I had hoped at that time, once I was on the Alex Jones show, and I broke ranks with my people at the Council on Foreign Relations. I'm a member also of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, the National Military Intelligence Association, and I volunteer repeatedly. I volunteer to still work with our military because no. 1, I respect our military. No. 2., we have sent men and women to wars that have not been clearly defined by civilians who have never been in war, including Clinton, including Bush, Jr. in particular, who precipitated the wars into Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Obama. And I had hoped by that time, in the past, that we would have stopped fooling the American public and stopped creating an incursion into our own country, killing our own people. 9/11 has still not been fully explained. And it is not a conspiracy theory. It has nothing to do with all kinds of secrecy and cabal and any other issue. It has to do with a famous technique in warfare that we call stand down, false flag, deception and denial. It was done during Pearl Harbor. Alex explained to you yesterday it was done by Hitler. It was done by LBJ during the war in Vietnam where we had the Gulf of Tonkin and he claimed that we had had a false flag operation, and we had to shoot the Vietnamese because they shot us. That was wrong. Many men died for that. Many men went to war. And at the same time we had a stand down and a false flag which was told to me repeatedly by the people I work with, including a very famous general that I will not repeat his name to protect him until I go to a grand jury. Now, what I'm saying today is very important. I was a Deputy Assistant Secretary under Nixon, Ford and Carter. I resigned under Carter because I disagreed with the way he handled the hostage situation. I came back under Reagan to take down the Soviet Union. I came back under Bush, Sr., to work on Cambodia. I'm not a career foreign service. I'm not a career intelligence officer. I am what every American is: I'm a physician, but I'm an entrepreneur. I create businesses, and I believe in the American way of life, which is very simple: the hope, the faith, the dedication, and the lack of interference in my job, in my pocketbook, and in my speech, and in the ability to say what I want to say, by the government. That doesn't mean I'm a tea party member, I'm a liberal, I'm a conservative, or I belong to any party. I'm strictly an American. And I say this to you, as Americans: We have once again been deceived. I thought this would cease and desist by the time Bush, Jr. was elected and thrown out. I had asked that Bush, Jr. be indicted for war criminal. Cheney be indicted. Rumsfeld. Condoleezza Rice. Steve Hadley. It goes on and on and on. The issue now is, we have brought to the forefront at a time when America is in deep peril economically, as Alex Jones has correctly explained to you, we are in deep peril because we are in two wars of which I have no idea why we're there. And I had warned even on the Alex Jones Show nine years ago, not we will go into Afghanistan and Iraq after the 9/11, and I predicted, and he was correct, Alex Jones, and you see it on your website, that Osama bin Laden would be dead, and had been dead for over seven months, not because Special Forces killed him but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had Marfan syndrome. Now, many of you can look up on the Internet Marfan syndrome. It's a disease, a genetic abnormality which Abraham Lincoln had. And it's a disease of the cataracts of the eyes, of the coronary arteries. And what happens in that disease is you have a very short lifespan. The fact that he had renal dialysis was not an issue of renal stones, which can be cured, and is not that serious or life threatening, but he needed that dialysis machine so he had to take it with him. It was not an accident that his No. 2 man, al-Zawahiri, was a physician. It is not an accident that most leaders of terrorist organizations around the world are physicians. That's why I know them, because we understand our code of ethics and creed. Osama bin Laden died when we went into Afghanistan. General Tommy Franks had stated very clearly that he had died, and he made a slip. Now, we knew he had already died by that time, by the time we had already gone into Afghanistan, and in Pakistan we knew he was dead. So the notion, when I came on the radio station in 2002 with Alex Jones, I said, "Listen, Osama bin Laden's dead. He's dead. There's no question about it. He had Marfan Syndrome. It had nothing to do with Special Forces. He was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush, Jr. created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism. Now, I have been in that world for 30 years. During 30 years we have never been attacked in America. I repeat it again. The question is not that we are safer now. Nope. We're not safer. The issue is, we had never been attacked up till 9/11 because Bush, Jr. , Cheney, Rumsfeld, and a group of other generals who are involved -- I know who they are and they know who I am -- decided that we had to mobilize the public in order to create a war on terrorism, which is an oxymoron. That war on terror no longer exists. We went into Iraq, our military forces, and I have to tell you, I have the greatest respect for our military men. And I'm saying this to you, the generals, the colonels, the majors and the captains, and I've been lecturing at the War College every year: "Be careful of the orders you receive from civilian presidents." I say it again, and listen to me: "Beware of the orders that you receive from civilian presidents, like Bush, Clinton and Obama. Particularly Presidents who have never served in a war, and do not know what the consequences of the war are, and the number of men and women who die, die bravely for our country and our cause, because some civilian has to manipulate his political career at the expense of the American public and at the expense of the bodies and the blood and guts of our warriors who are so important to us. [Alex] Absolutely. Dr. Steve Pieczenik is our guest. We'll even have him a little bit in the next hour. He's very gracious. And I want to get more into that entire area that you were just raising. And I'm talking about my White House sources, so obviously they were probably given this info. I know that you said he was dying of the disease. I've seen the videos of him, and even in 1998 and 1999 he looked like somebody who was near death then. Obviously, very ill. The new photos they show us, the CIA even had to admit last year, and Spy Talk and the Washington Post, that they were fake videos. So it's on record they put fake videos out. And I think that's very bold of them to tell the Washington Post, May 25, 2010 Spy Talk that they did fake them.
PART TWO: [Alex cont'd] We already knew that. We've seen the Adam Gadahn videos uploaded in the same video layer as the Intelcenter's logo. We've got amorala lockhee [?] admittedly ...
[Dr. Piecznik] You see, Alex, Mr. Jones, the key question America has to ask again, and why I went back on your show, is this has much greater implication just than the distortions and lies that are created by the intelligence community. And believe me, I work with the intelligence community. The question is, "Why does that have to be done repeatedly, in different administrations for the American public?" Particularly now with a President as you said, who had the lowest ratings, whose historical background is in question. I'm not only talking about his birth certificate. Forget that! His education, how he came to power, whom he represents. And particularly in the time when Wall Street and the bankers have gotten away with the greatest crime in the history of America. Nobody was indicted. And particularly at a time when I do not understand, I who've been in war eight different times, why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq, and why men and women are dying. So the issue becomes a little bit greater than the question of "Did the CIA or intelligence community doctor up this situation?" The answer is yes! Categorically yes! Anybody who tells you it's not is lying. This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen, and they look as if they're intent. That's nonsense. It's a total make-believe. We're in an American theatre of the absurd. The real issue is why are we doing this again, Alex? Why, nine years later, do I have to come on your show when I predicted nine years ago this man was already dead? But it wasn't the issue of death. It was the issue of why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people who have worked so hard in order to justify their political existence when you basically have civilian leaders who are politicians. [Alex] I understand. Dr. Pieczenik, let me stop you because you are dropping bombshell after bombshell. You know, you're the right hand man of Henry Kissinger, George Schultz, James Baker, Cyrus Vance ... [Dr. Pieczenik] I wasn't anybody's right hand. Now let me tell you: I got thrown out of more places than you can imagine, my friend. [Alex] Well, my point is you've been right up there, right underneath these guys, and it's on record that Tom Clancy's character Jack Ryan, Patriot Games, is you. [Dr. Pieczenik] It's based on me, that's correct. And so is Richard Clark. [Alex] Absolutely. So we'll put an image of Jack Ryan up there so that's the guy that we're talking to right now.
And so doctor, you just brought out that incredible information. We're trying to scramble to find the photo. It was up on Drudge for two days. It's gone now. But the photo -- you can go to WhiteHouseGov and find it, this is of the President that watches with his staff the operation against bin Laden and Hillary's got her hand over her mouth, the men are all acting tough. You can see that that's a posing photo. And you've been at those levels. So break that down for us, doctor.
[Dr. Pieczenik] Well, the breakdown is very simple. This is a man who decided he's going to have a photo opportunity. This is a man from the day he came in it began with a lie. It began with a lie. I didn't know the man. I have nothing personally against him. I couldn't care one way or the other. But I did care what is this man going to be as a President? If you're going to say one thing and do another, in my world, in the world where I can [inaudible] as a political operative, that's called a sociopath. That means you say one thing but you do everything differently. So when you look at a photograph of people looking intently as if they were amazed and bemused by an attack that may have not existed. If this was an attack, and they attacked a mortuary, God bless them, because Osama bin Laden is totally dead. So there's no way they could have attacked or killed or confronted Osama bin Laden unless you believe in the resurrection of Osama bin Laden. And I don't. And if I could tell you nine years ago. So, let me break it through: you have a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mullen, whose father was a publicist at the William Morris Agency, who is very much concerned about how he's going to leave the military as an admiral. Alright? You have a President who is in deep, deep trouble, who has no idea of how to get us out of unemployment, and has a disparity between the very rich and the very poor, when no banker in the history of this country after stealing billions of dollars and coming back to the American public and asking us for bonuses had never been arrested for this, yet some people who have cheated on their taxes or poor people who have not been able to get jobs are put in prison or are waiting on welfare. So we have a President, who from the day he came in, picked up the Nobel Prize for Peace where he had done nothing, the next day turns around and declares war in Afghanistan. Even Bush, Jr. didn't declare war in Afghanistan. And who is in Afghanistan right now? We're talking about a man, Karzai, whom I knew, and I was there at the house 20 years ago in Maryland, when this delicatessen owner from Silver Springs was ordered to come back -- he was a CIA operative as I remembered him -- and was put into position where we have nothing but corruption, destruction, and basically the killing of our own people. Then we have the Pakistani allies who they have now irritated this Obama, and then we have Panetta who is not in that picture. The most important of those men, who was ordered, this was a great P order, Obama wants to tell you how resolute he was because everybody said he was indecisive, so in order to make sure he looks resolute, he orders Panetta, a nice liberal within the Republican ... [Break] [Alex] Stay there. Dr. Pieczenik, stay there. Back in three minutes. This is key info. And we'll go back to bin Laden's death and you [inaudible] seen any more evidence of that. He has written 26 plus New York Times bestsellers. StevePieczenik.com. It's on record, high level government position under multiple Presidents, under Secretary of States, involved in black ops all over the world with the Mujahideen. I want him to talk about some of that history briefly before we look at currently what's happening, because obviously to know what's coming in the future and what's happening in the present, we need to know the past. Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it because the cliche rings true. But remember, this is the character that they created Jack Ryan out of in Tom Clancy's books, and that's on record. That's how respected he is. And he has a lot of courage. And I know you probably don't want to get into this now, but you did get a lot of heat when you came on my show, and I know you'll probably get heat again right now. But you're not some small fry out there saying that bin Laden was dead. And what you talked about on my show was confirmed by people in the White House, high level. And then separately, years after that, Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State came out and said it.
Benazir Bhutto, the President of Pakistan, said it. So when the Washington Post and everybody makes fun of us right now, and has these articles out, some of them wouldn't even quote you. They just said that, "Jones claimed" he had a source from the State Department when it was on record. The Atlantic Monthly dare not mention it. They linked to some Cheech and Chong blog that I have nothing to do with in some attempt to just mislead their readers. Jeff Goldberg, when he wasn't an Israeli prison guard he was running around engaged in his regular activities. So I guess Israel doesn't like what I'm doing. I don't know why. I'm not in their business. But let's go back, because this is what the media is going to be calling you about and myself about, let's go back specifically, you've got all these intel connections, you've worked with the biggest heavy hitters there are, you're famous in intelligence, and analysis, Jack Ryan's your character, the guy that doesn't play games, and in the real world you're actually telling it like it is. Nine years ago, April 22nd, on this show, and then everything you talked about has now been backed up in triplicate, and now we have this latest PR stunt with them with the photo op, with Hillary covering her mouth, I mean, this looks like a photo where you tell your kid, "You'll smile; say cheese," a breakdown sir. Take your time. With the intel, with the CIA reports you were reading, with as much proof as you can give us without giving up your sources, of knowing that bin Laden was dead, and when he reportedly died, so that we can look at the big news story now in context of why they've launched this hoax today. [Dr. Pieczenik] Well, let me just say, the issue of why he was dead was exactly what I said before: he died of Marfan syndrome. Bush, Jr. knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it. CIA had already sent a physician way before under the Clinton Administration to see him at the American Hospital in Dubai. He was already very sick from Marfan Syndrome. And he was already dying. So nobody had to kill him. He had al-Zawahiri, who was a physician with him, who is still a physician. I don't know where he is. But we knew he was already dead. By 9/11 it was very clear that he was dying. In Tora Bora he probably died. Tommy Franks, general, said accidentally that he died. But the point was he was already dead by the time I had talked to you. Why is it relevant now? Again as I said, why is the fiction and the narrative of psy ops of America against the American people so important is no. 1, as you said so clearly to your public, and they understand, is no. 1, we're viewed as idiots, and stupid, and Americans are not seen as very bright by our politicians. Secondly, basically the President was in very deep trouble, as you said, economically, politically he was on the bottom. He had the birther issue come out. He proved, he said he was American. But now he had to prove that he was more than American. He was more American than American. He had to be aggressive. At the same time you had an admiral who had really not done very well as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and would make some serious gaffs by giving a medal of honor to Greg Mortenson, who lied going into Pakistan saying he had built schools for women and looked like a fool. You have Panetta who really caused a lot of civilian damage in the Pakistan area. And the Pakistanis were furious with him because when he came with the CIA, quite frankly, without telling you any great secret, it's already in open source intelligence, about 80% of the CIA presently is not involved in intelligence, it is involved in what is called Operation Killing, Special Ops. And that means that many of the Special Forces soldiers have been shifted over to the CIA that used to be in the old office of SOLIC, Special Operations Low Intensity Conflict, but they have a new office, and Panetta was really just killing people right and left with the drones and creating a lot of friction and a major alienation between the American generals and the Pakistani generals, the ISI. Third, lastly, we have a foreign policy that didn't work under Hillary Clinton. As you know, like Condoleezza Rice, she probably booked in more miles than any other Secretary of State, and was totally incompetent. She was not able to preempt or really be able to figure out any strategic assessments or analysis of what happened in the Middle East, or predict the uprising in Syria, in Libya, Tunisia, and was really not able to hold out, and was not competent. So you have a whole series of administrative people, both civilians and military, who are not competent. And they had to show that they could really prove some sense of competency at a time when there was a re-election. It has a real sense of political expediency. As to what the Washington Post says, or the New York Times, I don't particularly care. I never have, I never will. It's not relevant to me. It may be relevant to you, but I don't think it's relevant to the American public, they don't read it, they don't care about it. Quite frankly, more people listen to Alex Jones than they read the New York Times. There's no question in my mind. Having said that, it was a very politically expedient factor for the President to say, "I'm going to get reelected. I've shown my firmness. I've shown I'm an American. I've shown that I can turn around the economy," which he hasn't. Secretary of State Hillary can say, "Look, we accomplished the end of a major, significant movement in the war on terrorism," which they haven't, because from a tactical and an intelligence assessment point of view, this has not changed the game whatsoever. There are no terrorists really right now in Afghanistan. The only terrorists right now are being supported by Halqa which is supported by the Pakistani Interservice Intelligence, which Gore said you to last night, which ironically is being supported by the CIA. And even Halqa has been reporting back to our intelligence operatives saying, "What in God's name is going on? We're being paid by your CIA through the ISI to kill your soldiers?" Now, if you can explain that to me, you're going to have to explain that to the American public. And that's what I meant by deception and denial that's been going on for three administrations: Clinton, Bush, and this administration. It has to stop. What else has been happening? The Pakistanis are so furious -- what you heard last night -- that Panetta had created all these problems, and they don't like General Petraeus. By the way, I happen to like General Petraeus, I think he's been a good general, he's been quiet, he's been doing what he was ordered to do, not what he initiated to do. And we have to differentiate our military from civilian control. And that's one of the reasons why I work with our military and not the civilian government. I offer and donate my time to our military because they are the most serious institution that we have left in the United States and they are being treated very poorly ... PART THREE [Dr. Piecznik] both on the battlefield without the necessary resources and when they come back as veterans, without any benefits, and now they have no mental health benefits, they have no physical benefits, and we're having the cheapest amount of labor given to these veterans who have served our country honorably. So what I'm saying to you very clearly is, this is a civilian Psy Ops game that continues from presidency to presidency. We in the United States can no longer have a two party system where we have a Republican and Democrat where it really is not functioning very well. And it's costing the American public a fortune in both blood and guts and money. We've spent over $333 billion, approximately $50 million dollars for every so-called "terrorist" that was taken out of Afghanistan, which was about 2,000 terrorists. Now if you can find me 2,000 more terrorists in Pakistan, I will give you a couple more million, because they don't exist. Karzai, the Pakistanis have worked together to make sure that we're not able to acquire any assets there. Now, what is the result? We're not going to go to World War III. But what's happening is another form of economic warfare has entered, and that is China, who has benefited from all that we have done, the dysfunctional behavior and the mis-assessment, and the lack of strategy and the lack of leadership, and the disasters that we have created with the drones and our CIA so-called operations where we kill civilians. We've alienated the Pakistanis who in turn have invited the Chinese to come down and work with them, both militarily and economically. And what has Karzai said publically? "I don't want the Americans here," because he already has raped and ripped us of about $3 billion dollars a week. And at the same time he has asked the Chinese to come in and invest in Afghanistan. Now that's the reality. [Alex] And by the way, Karzai's brother, on record, is the biggest opium dealer in Afghanistan. Now looking at this, I talked to you earlier during the break, and you said you heard General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistani Intelligence, and that you had to agree with what he said, you just alluded to that, but specifically, let's go into your history, because you know the entire, or much of the entire leadership of Pakistan and Afghanistan from the Afghan war with the Russians. [Dr. Pieczenik] Yes. Thank you, Alex. That's very kind of you. I really know them way before the Afghan war. I was involved in the major hostage situation in Washington called the Hanafi Muslim. I was brought in by Earl Silbert when 350 hostages were taken in Washington and I was able through 36 hours of negotiating against the orders of Carter. I actually threw out Jimmy Carter outside. So you can see I don't always acquiesce to a civilian controller president. And basically there was a very important gentleman who worked with me named Yaqub Khan. Yaqub Khan was the foreign minister of Pakistan, was our ambassador to the United States, but was the father of the Pakistani army. As a result of that, I got to know the various generals throughout his ranks, who they were. And he talked to me about El-Zia, Musharraf, Benazir Bhutto, her father, what would happen. So I intimately got to know both the military elements of this incredible army that was trained under General Yaqub Khan, and a friend of mine was also the head of the Islamic Brotherhood. Believe it or not, we went to M.I.T. together. So I knew all of these elements, and I knew they were extremely sensitive to our relationship with America, and at the time they were useful in the fight against the Soviet Union. But at the same time, I was clearly warned, very early on, that they would turn against us, and basically have a blowback, which you've talked about in the past. So using Yaqub Khan, I knew exactly where the elements were, the concerns they had about the CIA continuously supporting the Interservice Intelligence Agency, the fact that the ISI was getting out of control, was no longer under military or civilian control in Pakistan, and was beginning to form their own so-called groups that we call "terrorist groups," as a forefront to making sure that Pakistan had a ancillary army or basically an auxiliary army, or paramilitary unit that could fight against India.
And one of the things your audience has to understand: Pakistan's greatest obsession right now is not with the Taliban or Halqa. Those are the groups that they support even till today. India is their greatest obsession. And I would speak to the general and other Pakistani officials and explain to them, "Look, India is not an issue for you. India is twice the size you are. They have twice the number of nuclear warheads. You have 600,000 soldiers. At that time they had 2.2 million. Kashmir is not an issue. Nevertheless, Pakistan, to this day, has felt very strongly that India is sending down operatives to the Chinese and other Soviets into Afghanistan, and are using those operatives in order to get a possession into Afghanistan. And at the same time, Pakistan feels that India is infiltrating Kashmir. So there's a whole other scenario which we have not been able to handle. When Richard Holbrooke was brought in as the envoy to South Asia, he was told, "You can handle anything you want, but you will not touch Pakistan and India or Kashmir." That was cut out. So, from a foreign policy point of view, we have never had the strong hand or the foresight of let's say whatever you think of Kissinger or Baker, who could very forcefully say, "No, that's not going to happen," or we have the strategic sense under various other Presidents where we knew exactly where we wanted to go. Like Bush, Sr. said, "We're not going into Iraq." It wasn't a question he was afraid of Saddam Hussein, or he wasn't, or it was unfinished work. Bush, Sr. was brilliant in foreign policy. We had taken down the Soviet Union quietly. We had taken down East Germany quietly. We had taken down apartheid quietly. And we had taken down a whole bunch of other countries. Not one word was said when his son came in and he said, "I don't listen to my father." We said, "Good God, what an incredibly incompetent, arrogant individual." Yet his father never said a word. So when you have a man like Bush, Sr. who is able to control and direct both the intelligence community, the CIA, under whom Bob Gates, who is an excellent Secretary of Defense, and I'm sorry to see him go because I think that's a great loss to our country. He has really tried to control and direct our Defense Department in the right way and cut back programs that were not necessary: the F-22, the Stealth, and really provide our Special Forces with the necessary equipment they needed. We're going to lose a very valuable man. In turn, I have very big questions about Panetta and his capabilities. I do not think he performed well at the CIA, I think he exacerbated a very serious situation with the Pakistanis, and I think General Petraeus will have a hard time because it's a military man coming into a civilian organization which General Eisenhower once said about the CIA, "You need a certain kind of genius to run that organization. So right now, what's happening is civilian control, which is both untutored, undisciplined, and without a history of any military intelligence expertise is now going forward.
There's one more reason why Osama bin Laden came out of the bed, so to speak, the resurrection, or the psy ops resurrection of Osama bin Laden. And that is, for the first time you've heard people like Clapper, the director of the National Intelligence Organizations, and the Center for Counterterrorism, and all the intelligence organizations which amount to God knows how many now, have really worked together ineffectively. So it's a justification to say that under Obama we have really integrated our intelligence community so that we effectively can kill and are able to kill a dead man, in my opinion. Osama bin Laden was dead. [Alex] Let me ask you this question, Sir. And again, if you've just joined us Dr. Steve Pieczenik, StevePieczenik.com, the man that Tom Clancy's novels are based on. Author and creator of 26 New York Times bestsellers. He was the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz, and James Baker. Dr. Pieczenik is also a medical doctor, and continues to consult to the Department of Defense. He's also a Counsel on Foreign Relations fellow. You heard him, and he said it nine years ago, that they would do this. This is the psy op resurrection of Osama bin Laden. We'll find out exactly why. It isn't just about the re-election of [Obama]. And that's what bin Laden is. He knows your anger. He knows your pain. He's that six-foot-four bogey man with a scary turban and a beard. Evil eye. And now, "We've had a victory. Man, America is coming together, yeah!" as the gas prices explode, and all of this tyranny unfolds, as the Chinese are dumping more treasuries, they're talking about the U.S. losing its AAA rating. That's back in the news today. They say when they switch it it may go to a "C" grade. That's CNBC. I mean, this is the country going into cardiac arrest. But we've got the royal wedding, we've got the bin Laden situation. And here's a very high-powered author, researcher, State Department former official, CFR fellow, breaking everything down. Breaking ranks with the Establishment to warn you. Now larger than just Obama, Sir, and the re-election -- I mean, that's all scripted; that's all clear. Why else are they doing this? Because we see the frame-up now of Pakistan going into high gear saying, "bin Laden was at this house." [Dr. Pieczenik] Well, one of the reasons he's doing so that they basically can pull out of Pakistan. They can try and leave Afghanistan and Iraq with the sense that there was a victory. There is no victory because there was no clear designation as to what the war was to accomplish. We have no idea what the war accomplished other than ten years of wasted bodies and brave men and women and $333 billion a year. Secondly, we now have a very serious economic issue with unemployment still up exceedingly high, much higher than the designations. We have a banking crisis that hasn't been resolved. In three years, we've had banks after banks: Chase, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan and Chase, Bank of America, all of them have committed crimes, beyond a reasonable doubt. If you look at the Banking Commission Report that's done by our own federal government, they indict them. And there's basically no attention them, and nobody has even been prosecuted, and Obama went back to them yesterday and asked them for more money. They're going to raise a billion. We're also in a position where we're not doing very well in the international arena. We have literally lost our basic strategic superpower position. Although we have a large army, we're basically in the same position that the British military was in the 1900s, a very large army without a strategy, without a cause, and without a country. I often said to our military, "We had an army without a country," and I say to our country that, "We have a country without a military." Because right now it's costing us a fortune. We have no benefits derived from it. There are no enemies that we have other than the internal security of our country which depends really on the [inaudible], as you clearly said, and our financial growth, which is very low, 2-3%, and the fact that our bond ratings will be downgraded perhaps to a "C" or whatever the levels are. We have further problems. We have the notion that a system is not working. And that's what I keep coming back to, since I said 10 years ago when we had Bush, Jr., and now we have Obama, we elect people who are basically panderers without any history of accomplishment, without any history of success other than the fact that they pander their way and agree to acquiesce to anybody who is giving them money or power, and represent other interests. Now, I'm not degrading anybody. I've treated politicians, and I've worked with them. But basically, the notion of a politician servicing the United States of America's needs, is absurd. We don't need these people anymore and if we think we do, then we're mistaken because we're going to keep going on from administration to administration, from lie to lie, and from incompetence to incompetence. All of these people are reshuffled again. You have Panetta who was in the Clinton administration, was not a great performer, now coming in from the CIA where he was dysfunctional, to now heading up the Secretary of Defense. [Alex] Stay there. We've got the real life Patriot Games Jack Ryan, Dr. Steve Pieczenik, going into overdrive. Stand by. InfoWars.com. PART FOUR: [Alex] We're now into the fourth hour. We're going to take your phone calls later in the hour if you have any questions or comments for Dr. Steve Pieczenik. The toll free number to join us is 800-259-9231. But please, focus serious questions about the whole Osama bin Laden garbage. 800-259-9231 is the toll free number to join us. Doctor, talking during the break, I was asking there, "What is the goal?" We know it's a re-election kickoff. We can see the scripting, the choreographing. The ridiculous, "We threw bin Laden in the ocean." The six years he's in Pakistan, obviously they want to start framing Pakistan, putting pressure on them. They caught the CIA guy, reportedly with the uranium trying to get it to militants as some type of way to put pressure on Pakistan's nuclear program. But what are the other reasons for them doing this, because I'm scanning the news here while I'm live, and 48 hours into this it's completely turning around against them, and "hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax" is the byword. They're on Facebook, everywhere, trying to block and ban people like I've never seen. On their own Facebook saying it's a hoax. It looks like a rout is beginning. And folks, I don't just say things like a cheerleader. I'm telling you now: this looks like a rout of this hoax. That's why they're now saying they're going to try and release a real photo. Dr. Pieczenik. [Dr. Pieczenik] Well, I think you're absolutely right, Alex. One of the things that we, I think the politicians never calculated on, is that the American public is a lot smarter than the politicians. Let me repeat that again: I think we, the American people, are a lot smarter. We can smell a psy ops operation, we can smell the fake, we can smell when it's orchestrated, and this was orchestrated. I mean, when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operation center in the White House, and you have a President coming out, almost zombie-like telling you that they just killed Osama Bin Laden who is already dead nine years ago, and people are aware of shows like yours, quite frankly. Alex, you've been a very important part of inserting the truth in a time when most media was really going to the common denominator and the lowest. The fortunate part is that thank God for the alternative media, and thank God for the American public. They are a lot smarter, and the world public is a lot smarter. I understand that you're listened to in the Middle East by millions of people. You've offered them a lot of facts. There's nothing that you've really said that I didn't agree with nine years ago. And when I said to you, "Osama bin Laden is dead because they need to get out of there, they need to have a conclusion where the President is getting reelected," all the issues we talked about, now the American public is saying, "You know, we're tired, we're sick and tired of the nonsense that was given to us by Clinton, by Bush, and certainly now by Obama. We want jobs, we want to manufacture. We don't want to be overseas, we want to develop our own country, we want to know that we can be proud of what we've done, and forget the rest of the world where we're making up wars that don't exist, and terrorists who never were." And the TSA, as you said, who is reaching down to your pants, are not really required. I've never seen anything like this in my whole life. So the answer is, one issue that is very important is that the American public has to understand: these people are not smarter than the American public. They're just not. They make-believe they're smarter. If you look at the background of Osama bin Laden [he meant to say Barack Obama], he did not do very well in school. He was at 2-year college, which was not very good. He didn't do that well in Columbia. And I think he got into Harvard on affirmative action. But the real issue is, and his own wife was in on affirmative action, I think the real issue is if we have the same benefits that he had, I think we would have achieved so-called "elite" status. But the bottom line is very simple: the American public is a lot smarter. Anybody who has to work on a day-to-day basis, whether I'm in Montana or the East Coast, you've gotta farm, you've gotta build, you have a mechanics shop, you're a trucker -- you've gotta figure out exactly what the cost of goods are, what the profit margins are, and how you can pay your income. These guys in Congress and the Senate have never had to do that. If you look at the benefits of what they have, and you look at the White House benefits of what they have, we basically have a royalty, and a kingship. We didn't have a wedding in England. What we had was a marriage of the absurd and the psy ops here in America when Bin Laden was just resurrected in this greatest falsehood I've ever heard. I mean, it was absurd. [Alex] Stay there Dr. Pieczenik. The real live Jack Ryan of Patriot Games with us now. We'll be right back to continue breaking this down. Who knows, we'll just keep him the whole hour if we can do it, and take your phone calls. We've got a lot more to talk about, breaking this down. We'll be right back. Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a board certified psychiatrist, the medical doctor end of the whole system. And he was a psychological warfare expert chief, brought in by the Pentagon, against the Russians -- you name it. He is the character that Jack Ryan and others, Tom Clancy, is based on. That's on record from Tom Clancy. He himself is the author and creator of 26 New York Times bestsellers, and the adviser on many of Clancy's books. You can see all of that at SevePieczenik.com. So if you folks wonder why Tom Clancy knows so many inside things that end up happening later, here's one of his chief guys giving him the intel. I know you don't like to talk about yourself, but you are an interesting person, and it also goes to credibility. Here you are, nine years ago and change, nine years and a month, April 22, 2002, and you say, "He died of this disease. I saw it in the CIA documents. The disease he had. This is the word. I have this from inside sources." You were a CFR fellow at the time. You've worked under James Baker, George Schultz, Cyrus Vance, Henry Kissinger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Senior Policy Planner under those secretaries. And here you are saying, "bin Lade is dead. And he's on ice to be rolled out later." Then two other White House sources tell me the same thing years later. And then Albright comes on Fox, all of these other things happen, and I mean it's important for folks to hear some of your background to understand, "now we're here. Now we're living it. We're seeing it." And before we go to some calls, I want you to specifically, again, because you keep saying, "Well, they're not as smart as you think they are," why they're doing it. Why they think they came out with this ridiculous bin Laden announcement that's so cartoonish, that it is blowing up in their face. The foreign media, the domestic media, it is just overwhelming the inconsistencies, even the Washington Post and others are like, "Well, they're conspiracy theorists but it is weird they threw him in the ocean. It is weird there were fake photos. It is weird they claim they killed him eight other times. I was talking to the Washington Post lady and she said, "Everybody in the office doesn't believe it." And she was giggling. And I said, "Do you understand this isn't funny? I mean, they lied about WMDs, they lied about it all, and we're in a very serious time." But tell folks a little about yourself. I mean, give us a snapshot of your career. [Dr. Pieczenik] Very quickly, I went to Harvard and M.I.T. at the same time, not because I was so smart but because Harvard wasn't as good as I thought it was. I got a psychiatric degree at Harvard and a Ph.D. in International Affairs under Lucien Pye.
I was trained in psychological warfare, propaganda, counter-intelligence, counter-terrorism. I went right into the State Department working for Lawrence Eagleburger and became the head of the Office of Combat Terrorism. I created that. I worked against Arafat as a terrorist, and then years later I worked with Arafat as a statesman. So one of the things you have to remember in the world of terrorism that today's terrorist is tomorrow's statesman. That was true of Menachem Begin, that was true of many of the terrorists that we worked with and now became statesmen. It was true of our own founding fathers who were created as terrorists and then became statesmen. I then went on to remain in the Carter administration where I was involved in the regime change of Aldo Moro. I neutralized the Red Brigade, the P-2 scandal. I indicted Berlusconi then. I'm sorry he ever came back. I left under Carter. I resigned and refused to go to Iran because I had Ramsey Clark there and I thought it would be a disaster. I went on then to create businesses. My real love, and this country's great love, why I feel I'm a very strong American, is that I'm an entrepreneur. I am what we call an angel investor. I use my own money to create businesses and start them up and build them. Not because it's the money. I'm more than happy to lose the money, because only in America can I do what I've done all the time, which is be able to create a business, like radio frequency identification, the Tom Clancy franchises, the TV shows, even radio shows. And now I'm doing neutraceuticals, and I'm doing orphan drugs. And be able to succeed or fail, not by definition of money, but by definition of criteria that we build assets. I was not interested in pushing papers or money back and forth, but I was interested in serving my country, which I really served for free and now most of the time.
I was promoted to colonel at a very early age of 32. I refused promotion to brigadier general at 37 because I felt not that I want to be in the army, but I felt I could serve my country best by going back out into public service and into private service, and then offer my services for free, make my money outside on my own, and then come back and serve my country to the military and other organizations, and be able to go overseas for our country, and offer strategic advice, if they listen to it, if not. I came back under Reagan and worked on the Soviet Union. I was up at the Rand Corporation for a year under a man called Richard Solomon, who brought me in to develop the Soviet takedown, the psychological operation we were involved in. Bush, Sr. was really under Reagan, but the real impetus for the takedown of the Soviet Union and East Germany. I then came back under Bush, Sr. and I was involved in bringing the peace treaty under James Baker, to bring the regime change under Pol Pot without using any wars, without using any soldiers. My point is, most of the things that I've done, and I've done a lot in the Middle East against Habash, Halakme [?], even in the Gaza strip where I worked with the PLO, against the PLO, and where ironically, and this will be a soft spot for the Israelis, in '88 I was sent out by Schultz to find out what was going on with the PLO, and I found out that the Shinbed of Israel in 1988 was creating a group called Hamas, which was used as a counterforce to the PLO. And of course, eventually everybody learned that Hamas had a blowback, and now the Israelis have created their own Frankenstein. The point being that we are not the only country in the world to create our own Frankensteins through al Qaeda, which was really the Mujahideen before. I was involved with that under the Carter administration, subsequently in other administrations, but so was Israel involved in creating ... [Alex] Did you ever meet Osama bin Laden? [Dr. Pieczenik] Yes. I saw him in Afghanistan very briefly, but I was more involved with other operational concerns, particularly the Pakistanis. [Alex] What was his role in the war against the Russians, and what was he like when you did meet him? [Dr. Pieczenik] I didn't know him very well. Basically I knew he was sick at the time. I knew he had renal disease. And I knew he had Marfan, because you could see that. But basically the guys who were CIA operatives said he had a supportive role there and he was financing most of the elements there. My interest was really more strategic. [Alex] He was more of the Saudi Arabian's man in the field with the money delivery? [Dr. Pieczenik] Correct. That was the understanding. That is exactly correct. From my point of view, he was not the keystone of the operations there. That really was a CIA operation. Most people think I worked with the CIA. I was not in the CIA but that is neither here nor there. Even though I was a member of the CFR, I'm also a member of the Association of Foreign Intelligence Officer and National Military Intelligence Association.
So all these associations may mean something to you, may not. But I'm primarily an American. [Alex] No, I understand. And it must be horrifying for you, doctor, to know that like with the Royal Wedding, worshipping people who hereditarily got their power, who you have to get an imperial mark in the past to be able to even have a business. Our forefathers and mothers came here to be able to build their own businesses, follow their own dreams, and now we see Obama giving thousands of waivers to select corporations that give him money. General Electric heads up his economic board. They get waivers for their coal plants and then shut down their competition. We're really entering this crony monopoly system. That's gotta be horrifying for you. [Dr. Pieczenik] Well, it's more than horrifying. It's called "crony capitalism," and the banking episode was really beyond the pale for me. I was totally shocked, disgusted, and I was waiting for people to get indicted, and I still hope people will be indicted. Crony capitalism cannot work, whether it's with Republicans, Democrats, or Independents, it could not work. We have to stop it as Americans. This must stop in this administration and in any future administration. But please, do not believe any politicians who come to you and tell you they believe in something, whether Republicans or Democrats. They are all full of B.S. Because all they care about is their own narcissism, their own desire for power. Very few people are really interested in serving the government and then they would leave without pay. I really have never found any of these people except in my case I found Bush, Sr., I found Baker who really didn't need money, even Vance on both sides, but most people that I knew were very power hungry, and in this administration you have a president who is totally, totally incapable of telling the truth. [Alex] What about those narcissistic photos with them all posing? I mean, you can see they did it over and over again until they got it. But shifting gears back to this key issue, there you are, high level in these Republican administrations, the son of someone you say you admire and who from your perspective is a good guy, obviously hard working and intelligent, George Herbert Walker Bush, any way you slice it he didn't become the CIA director out of whole cloth, folks. [Dr. Pieczenik] You know why he became CIA director? Even Jeb Bush didn't know it. He became CIA director because Donald Rumsfeld wanted to neutralize him from running for the presidency. And for 20 years, most people don't realize, neither Cheney nor Rumsfeld were allowed in the White House because they tried to neutralize the future of this quiet man who never, never promoted himself. I remember him saying to me and others that, "I never speak about myself because my mother wouldn't let me." Do you believe that? PART FIVE: [Alex] Well, it's interesting that you bring that up, because it's actually come out that George W. did bring in Cheney and Rumsfeld because of that split and then later, when Baker and them were sent back in to kind of shut down what they were doing ... [Dr. Pieczenik] That's right. That was one of the reasons why I got on the phone in the middle when I was in Montana and I told Baker, I called him up, I said, "What in God's name are you doing sending out the Chairman of the Republican party" who was, whatever, very bizarre and unusual in his orientation in talking about abortion, and I said, "Get rid of these guys. And what are you doing with Cheney and Rumsfeld?" I mean, these guys were persona non grata for 20 years in our administration. So basically, the American public has to understand that even under Bush, Jr. we had basically a quiet civil war that was going on between his father's people, who are non-ideological, and those who try to implement ideology in their own narcissism. What we have now is a very narcissistic, incompetent President with a very dysfunctional White House and a dysfunctional intelligence community. [Alex] Well, that was my next question, Dr. Pieczenik from your perspective was why did you in 2002 come on my show to talk about this bin Laden being in the deep freeze, and to question 9/11? We're going to come back, talk about that, and then we're going to go to your phone calls with Dr. Steve Pieczenik. What incredible info. But he told you this bin Laden thing's a fraud. You know what I can't believe? Just the providence of this radio show. Because I'm just an average guy who started reading history books when I was 12, and thought they were interesting and entertaining. And reading history, I learned so much about how the world works today. And then I talked to the general public, who many of them are informed, and have street smarts, but if they would really start researching they would find out how much they are being lied to, and that the culture is getting more and more entitled in Washington, the corporations that have grown up around it, the crony system, are so out of control. Your phone calls for Dr. Steve Pieczenik are coming up in the next segment and hopefully we can get him back up in the very near future, and I keep asking him this question, and he's answered it in many ways, but just boiling it down in a language that the mainstream media can understand, the government can understand, "Why would they do something that is so cartoonishly satyrical?" And I'm not just saying this to make it come true, because I was pretty depressed yesterday, but now the tables are turning, it is exploding in their face. It's almost more scary, doctor, that you're probably right that they have the power, they have the control, so they're able to do what they want, they think they are smart, but at the end of the day they are making a lot of things that look like big mistakes as the Republic slides towards collapse. So near the break I said, so you're saying they just did this to make Obama look good. And you said no, to make him survive. [Dr. Pieczenik] It's about the word that you want to use right now, the key word that fits all of this psy ops resurrection of Osama bin Laden which is a joke, and a sick joke, and a cynical joke on the American public, treating them as if we were stupid, is "desperation." They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive, to make sure that Gates goes out in a clean sweep, and that he's done what he's done. This is a good man Gates, and bringing in a man who is questionably qualified to be Secretary of Defense, who is questionably qualified to be CIA Director Panetta, to bring in a whole other staff that really has not been very effective and to reelect this President again so the American public can be duped once again, after we've been duped by Bush Jr. and Clinton. The point is they've underestimated the American public. Again, you can thank David Axelrod of the White House who is a very self-aggrandizing, very pretentious man who thinks he understands the American public as he polls them every minute and basically what we have here is a desperate situation on behalf of an incompetent President who has not told the truth, who hopes to be reelected because he has nothing to offer but words which are totally meaningless, and will hopefully get forth. On the other hand, let me warn you, that the Republicans and other parties have no candidates that are capable of filling the role that America needs today, which is a pragmatic, non-narcissistic, non-jingoistic practical man or woman who has served our country, on behalf of our country, hopefully in the military, hopefully in business, and hopefully has had a clean history and can understand where we're going strategically and tactically. That has not happened in the past 24 years. That's basically where we are today. In desperation, with capital cronyism, corruption, and non-transparency. What we need now is Tahrir Square in Washington D.C. and all over the country where people ... [Alex] We're going to talk about that when we come back and take calls. But in the minute or two that we have left in this short segment, why did you go public in 2002 with something at the time that sounded a little bit wild to some people, but I knew it had a historical basis and say ... [Dr. Pieczenik] Everybody who has accused me of making wild statements regretted it ten years later. Aldo Moro did. Pol Pot did. Noriega. All regretted the fact when I said to them, "You're leaving, and you're not staying," they were gone. The reason I came forth and I said, "I warned Bush Jr. and Cheney and Rumsfeld, 'You will pay for the crimes you've committed against the American public, and part of that is this nonsense of Osama bin Laden being the leader of some nonsensical group that we created under the Carter administration, was fostered through tens of years, and going into Pakistan through the nonsensical war that didn't exist, to allow men and women to die ... [Alex] Are you bottom line saying they ran the attacks or they hired some criminal group to do it? [Dr. Pieczenik] No, no, no. They ran the attacks. The 9/11 is a total manufacture of one organization: the White House under Bush, Jr. Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Hadley, Condoleezza Rice, Zalmay Khalilzad, Elliot Abrams, the CFR. I'm happy to confront them. [Alex] Unbelievable. Stay there, Sr. Stay there. Stay there. Repeat that. Stay there. Let's come back and repeat that because the music was playing. This is absolutely devastating. Dr. Steve Pieczenik's got major credibility and he is going all the way today putting it on the table. This is off the charts. We'll be right back. Stay with us. The emails, the tweets, the phone calls are pouring in. Listeners are just completely amazed by the interview. I really appreciate Dr. Steve Pieczenik spending so much time with us all. Obviously have to get him back in the near future. And I want to go to some of your phone calls. But I was going back to 2002 when he went public. Then he was saying, "I have questions about 9/11. There are issues with this. We created these groups." Now, as we went to break, he was laying it all out, and naming names. Dr. Pieczenik, again, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker, as three of the most famous kingmakers in the last 100 years right there. Dr. Pieczenik continues to consult the Department of Defense, ran black ops, major operations, overthrows of governments, you name it. StevePieczenik.com. He is of course on record helped Tom Clancy write his 26 best-selling New York Times best sellers with his advice. Several of the characters, like Jack Ryan, are based on him as well as Richard Clark. And Dr. Pieczenik, uninterrupted by the break, take your time: What was the event of 9/11, A, & B, why was it carried out? [Steve Pieczenik] The event of 9/11 was carried out for one purpose: It was carried out to mobilize the American public to go to a war that they didn't need to go to, that they knew nothing about, where we had pre-positioned soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq six to nine months beforehand. And what it was done it was based on Paul Wolfowitz's, Richard Cheney, Bush, Jr., Steve Hadley, Elliot Abrams in the White House, Ahmed Khalilzad, Dennis Ross who is now still an envoy who has never been held accountable, you have Condoleezza Rice, we have all the people who were in the military, particularly the Air Force generals who were involved. They can deny it as much they want, but I have the whole list of names. They know who they are. And the intel, the CIA operatives who worked under SOLIC, Special Operations Low Intensity Conflict, were all involved in what's called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretense that we were attacked by al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, which was an absolute, unmitigated lie. It was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz. I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open. I was furious. I knew it had happened. I taught stand down and false flag operations at the National War College. I've taught it with all my operatives, so I knew exactly what was done to the American public. Believe it or not, I had worked on George Bush, Jr.'s campaign with Bob Zelleck. Not with the Vulcans, but with Bob Zelleck in order to work against Gore, which I regret today because I had been loyal to his father. And that issue of Osama bin Laden who had already been dead really brought up the issue of the Great Lie, and the Great War that was created for us to make sure that we had some type of commitment to a war that was not necessary, where blood and guts were shed for unnecessary reasons, for men and women ... [Alex] Dr. Pieczenik, Dr. Pieczenik, I've got to stop you because this is so dangerous. I believe this is the first time you've gone this far, and when the D.C. madam was on my show and she was trying to tell me during the break names of people, and I said, "I don't want to know this. You've gotta go public with this. You're going to end up committing Arkancide." And obviously you're a tough guy, you're not worried about that ... [Dr. Pieczenik] No, I don't think so. [Laughs] The people who I mentioned understand that we all have a mutual, let's say mutual deterrent relationship. It's not going to be to their benefit. [Alex] No, I understand. But you don't want to then say the name of the general? [Dr. Pieczenik] The general who swore to me? No, I will do that in the federal court so that we can unravel this legally. Not with this stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd. That was the most absurd thing I had heard. That's why I came on your show, Alex. One of the reasons when I went on the shows, like Chris Matthews, CNN, all of that nonsense, because they wanted me to say certain things, and Matthews had no idea what we were talking about in going into Iraq at the time. You had all these anchormen who basically are pretty boys up there. [Alex] I've met some of these people. They are like children. [Dr. Pieczenik] They're children. They're children. They had no idea whether I was Deputy Assistant Secretary or what that meant. All they wanted me to do was to give soundbites and I said, "I refuse." And then they [inaudible], basically. So I found you by chance, and I said, "You know what, I heard your show. I thought you were extremely bright," this is not flattery as we talked about, and I was more than grateful to be on your show. When I went on your show and I told you Osama bin Laden was dead in 2002, I wasn't hypothesizing. I knew it because he had Marfan syndrome. I knew the CIA had investigated, had treated him in a Dubai Hospital, an American hospital. They can deny anything they want. That's all they do. They run around creating problems ... [Alex] By the way, after you said that, Dan Rather did a report on it and interviewed the people at the hospital who saw it. [Dr. Pieczenik] Oh, they did? I didn't even see that. With Dan Rather. But my point is, you still maintained your credibility and because nine years later you mention my name, I was stunned. I had no idea because I was working on another company. I'm basically an entrepreneur who volunteers my time for the military, to help them out, and basically, as an American, I said, "I'm sick of this." And I went back on your show to say, "This is disgusting." This Osama bin Laden issue, again, keystones the issue about an incompetent, dysfunctional administration that is lying once again to the American public. We can't continue this. This is why I went on your show. I don't care whether Obama is desperate or he's incompetent or he's narcissistic. I care that he does not get reelected. I care that the Republicans don't get reelected. I care that the American people stand up once again and say, "We've had enough of this bullshit, with all of these politicians on the Republican and Democratic side, the capital cronyism, the entire incompetency, the transnational corporations." And believe me, I don't come from the left or the right. You don't serve Nixon, Reagan and Bush and come out with these comments. I'm not losing friends and I'm not making friends. I don't really care about those things. I do care, as an American, don't mess with me. You can imagine the real word I wanted to use. Don't mess with me and don't mess with any of my people in America. That's it. And the politicians think they can mess with me ... [Alex] You're not their slave, and you hate seeing America being gutted by crony capitalism. [Dr. Pieczenik] You got it. Not only crony capitalism, but despicable lies and manipulation. [Alex] Did you hear my story about Lionel Shetland, the White House media head, for propaganda? [Dr. Pieczenik] That's absurd. I mean, it's absurd. Think about it for a moment, Alex. You need somebody to come out and talk this way, to interpret to a bunch of, what, sycophants and reporters in the day of the Internet? What do you have reporters there for? To translate on a piece of paper what you are taping? I mean, think of the notion of a newspaper now. It makes no sense, Alex. It's an arcane concept. [Alex] My point is, they all think they are a bunch of gangsters, because there I am about to go on a TV show, I'm in the bathroom, here comes Lionel Shetland who made the made for TV movie about Bush being a hero on 9/11, and he came over like a gangster and started getting in my face, going, "We're going to f-ing get you," and as soon as I bowed up to him he almost urinated on himself and ran out of the room. I'm saying, these are the type of people. I mean, if you're going to threaten somebody in a bathroom, you better be ready. Do you see what I'm saying? PART SIX [Dr. Pieczenik] Yeah, you got it, but they're not. Most of the politicians are cowardly. And in terms of the dynamics, I'm now speaking as somebody who is a political psychiatrist and treated many of them, they are very insecure, very cowardly, they have the same dynamics as movie stars and actresses. They want to say to you, "Love me, love me, I want more, more, more affection." They cannot perform. They cannot produce. They have no capability to finish anything that they started. They've never been held accountable. It is not an accident for the last three Presidents, we have had people who have never had a mortgage, who have never been able to have a job. Clinton left the White House and said, "Oh, poor me, poor me, I have no money." A year later he has $100 million dollars, supporting Dubai, bringing in a port, while Hillary Clinton comes in and says, "Oh no, we shouldn't have a port." George Bush, Jr. says, "I'm going to go to Texas and start a oil company." Unfortunately, his father started one and had to hand it to him, and he screwed up that one up. Now you have an organizer in the ghettos of Chicago who has done nothing, absolutely nothing, has never really held a job, perhaps he's given a few lectures as a professor, God only knows he was what, at Harvard and everybody thinks that's a great position. And somehow, mysteriously, from the most crooked city in this country, Chicago, we get a President. How is that possible? With Rahm Emanuel, who has a masters degree in Ballet. Now that is really impressive to me. [Alex] And we know what that really means. He has a masters degree in ... [Dr. Pieczenik] To be Chief of Staff for a man who has never been in the Presidency, and it really was shocking. And then he talks about [inaudible] And then under Bush, Jr. we have a major crisis in the banking system. He doesn't know what to do. He brings in Paulsen who had no idea what he was doing, because I was a banker, by the way. One of my positions was as managing director of investment bank, taking it down for six months, and I left Wall Street it was so disgusting. And I knew Paulsen had no idea. And when I talked to the congressmen I said, "Listen, guys, you don't have a banker there. They have no idea what they're doing." Lo and behold that whole thing unfolded, and now we have such a crippled banking system. [Alex] Well, sir, you like Petraeus, and I respect that, but it was also Henry Paulsen repeatedly did collapse in closed sessions -- two different days -- Petraeus collapsed -- what's all this collapsing business? [Dr. Pieczenik] Basically, I don't know about Paulsen collapsing. Petraeus -- it's public -- he has cancer of the prostate. That's not classified. He is not a well man. He is also a man who overreaches. But Paulsen I would not say is a hero of this country. [Alex] No, I understand working too hard and then collapsing. I've ... [Dr. Pieczenik] Petraeus, I think, has had an illness which was not classified. He has had cancer of the prostate. I assume he is better. But he has worked very hard. But the issue with Paulsen is that man was incompetent. He's an investment banker. He has nothing to do with cash flow fiscal policy. Then you had Greenspan who told you he was doing a wonderful job, and he put the accelerator to the pedal and boy, we went right over the abyss. Then he comes back and says, "Oh, no, that was a minor incident. Derivatives were really very effective ..." [Alex] Let me throw a few more questions in for you, and then we'll take a few calls. This is unbelievable Dr. Pieczenik, StevePieczenik.com. The anthrax attacks. You know, they said it was brewed in a bathtub, later they admitted super U.S. weapons grade, miniaturized, hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment needed. What was the anthrax attack? [Dr. Piecznik] I really don't know. That one I have to bow out. I don't know what that was about. [Alex] What's your intel on Obama and why they've been suppressing so many of his records. What are you picking up on that? [Dr. Piecznik] You know what? At this particular point in time, I think it's best that your audience figure out what the history of Obama was in Chicago. I really don't want to get into the birthing thing. I think that's been discussed. But there are other issues, and I think it's best that this country do its own homework. You have a very intelligent audience, and I think they should find out by themselves what he did in Chicago, what's his relationship with Rahm Emanuel, why was Rahm Emanuel brought in, and why is he now mayor of Chicago? A masters in ballet, who had no other profession. [Alex] We got it. So it looks like Emanuel's blackmailing Obama somehow with the fact that they liked to ... [Dr. Pieczenik] I didn't say that. I just want your audience to do their due diligence, as you have. I want them to follow you in what you said. And that is to be self-educated and informed. [Alex] We know all about male ballet dancers. We'll just leave it at that. Testistically ... [Dr. Pieczenik] This is not a ballet dancer, this is a masters in ballet dancing. So it's beyond a ballet dancer. [Alex] Well, I mean, there are occasional black sheep who are male ballet dancers. [Dr. Pieczenik] I don't know about that. All I know is his brother, his one brother is an agent in Hollywood, and his other brother is a physician at the NIH. [Alex] What about their family connections to Irgun in Israel? [Dr. Pieczenik] His father was in the Irgun Zevai Leumi. That is true. His father was a pediatrician, he was part of a terrorist frame. He himself I think served in the IDF for a period of time. [Alex] Unbelievable, Sir. In the last 12 minutes we have, let's take some phone calls. I'll try tomorrow to take more phone calls, folks. But this has been unbelievable. Anything else about the inside job that was 9/11? I mean, you're saying you've talked to high-level U.S. government officials ... [Dr. Pieczenik] The inside job is that nobody has been held accountable. Tenet should never have received an award. He should have been put on trial. Bush should have been put on trial. Cheney should be put on trial. And Rumsfeld. Instead, they all received books. Condoleezza should be put on trial and investigated on charges of perjury and war crime. It's as simple as that. You've got other people. You've got Elliott Abrams, you've got Wolfowitz, and you've got a lot of potential criminals. If this country doesn't come to its resolution, instead of creating this nonsense that we have a war, and we have heroes, and we do have victims. We have to stop this. Otherwise, we can't go forward. [Alex] Well, it was in ABC News that top military brass a week before canceled their September 11 flight to New York. Mayor Willie Brown, San Francisco Chronicle -- this was confirmed -- called Condoleezza, no she called him and said, "Don't fly to New York." I mean, these guys are just red-handed caught, then lying about never hearing chatter about flying planes into buildings when on record they ordered FBI agents nationwide, who were on the trail of the legend they were building, the fake decoy history, and they demoted or fired those agents, and gave record bonuses to the FBI bosses who blocked the FBI trying to stop the attacks. I mean, and it goes on and on and on and on. [Dr. Pieczenik] You know it's time again that I say we have our own Tahrir Square. The young kids of Egypt went forth and did what they did. America needs a second revolution. That second revolution has to entail the peaceful means by which we can get rid of this type of capital cronyism, corruption, and criminal activity. Again, we were born of a revolution, a real revolution. We fought England twice, not once but twice. And we need to now understand that our government no longer serves the people, for the people, by the people. And that's why I came back on your show. I was so disgusted to hear this nonsense about Osama bin Laden being resurrected, and that they had shot him, unless they attacked a mortuary. I have no idea what this nonsense was. But the point is, it underlied another cancerous administration, with lies, deceits, betrayal, including the Republicans and Democrats and the Legislature. I'm not a right winger. I'm not a conspiracist. I trained at Harvard, M.I.T. I've been under five Presidents. So no matter what the press tells you, no matter what they'll say, Alex Jones had the courage enough to put me on the air and I had the glow enough to go on the air which is by the way not unusual for me, because I told some Presidents to leave, go screw yourself, but because I save lives. My job isn't to take down countries only. It's to save hostages. I've saved many hundreds of hostages lives. Now I was so disgusted, I went back on your show to thank you for allowing me to address your incredible public. This is enough, and that's all I want to say. [Alex] Wow. Wow. Let's jam some calls in here. This is an unbelievable interview, ladies and gentlemen. It is all of our job to get this interview on the podcasts and the YouTubes, the audio of it out there to everybody. Let's talk to Alex in Michigan. You're on the air, Alex. Go ahead. [Alex in Michigan] Hi, Mr. Jones and Dr. Pieczenik. My question for you, doctor, is that when we deal with this as you aptly put, this nonsense with Osama bin Laden allegedly being captured and killed, if this operation was allegedly authorized and carried out a couple of weeks ago in April, so why did Obama wait that long a time and then announce this, out of all places, Sunday night at 10:30? And my second part of the question to that is if we go back a week ago, after Bin Laden would have supposedly been killed, we see this shuffle with Panetta and Petraeus into the Defense Department and CIA, what does all of this mean? [Dr. Pieczenik] That's a very good question. The timing, I can speculate, basically they did it so late so that nobody could comment on it. The reason for the timing, and now, at this particular point in time is Gates is leaving, and Panetta had to establish some credibility where he had none before. The Pakistanis were extremely angry that he had killed many civilians, which he had. Also, if you remember correctly, two years ago he had made a major mess where CIA operatives were killed, because there was no clearance. Secondly, you have to remember now, the CIA is not the CIA of the cold war or the brave people I worked with in the 80's and 90's. This is a very different CIA now. 80% of the CIA right now are contract employees. Listen to what I'm saying. That means, they are mercenaries. We have primarily mercenaries underneath Panetta. Panetta is not an intel operative. He basically -- I've got to give him his credit -- he's a budget man. And the reason they are moving him to the Defense Department now is Gates is leaving. Because Gates was an excellent Secretary of Defense. [Alex] But don't mercenaries open you up to total infiltration? [Dr. Pieczenik] Oh, yeah! Because you don't know who, they're loyal to only one thing: the dollar. The American public has to understand: we have primarily mercenaries in most of what we have in contract office. When they say we have contractees, we have mercenaries. Many of our troops are very disgusted with that, because I've got a soldier who makes $35,000. Next to him I have a same man making $250,000, with no taxes whatsoever, and no restrictions in terms of ... [Alex] Yeah, he has immunity. [Dr. Pieczenik] Basically, Alex, what I'm saying to you is the timing had to do with Gates leaving, Panetta having been switched into the Secretary of Defense, although I suspect he didn't really want to be Sec Def. He wanted to remain as DCI: Director of the CIA. And Petraeus is heading up the CIA, which is unusual for a general, because he ran the Special Forces units, and CENTCOM, and he ran much of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he knows the drones, and he knows the so-called al Qaeda. [Alex] We gotta jump here. And I agree with you. 10:00 at night, so the papers were already lined up to not question, to then have total control of the message the next morning, to control the entire week with the announcement. The whole thing was scripted. Adrian in Missouri, you're on the air. [Adrian] Hi, Doctor. My question is, after all this shenanigans going on with Osama being dead, and everything, and Obama trying to get reelected, after all of this is done, after the announcement in 2012 that he has won the presidency again, or whatever, how do you think America is going to react? What are the pro-war ratings going to be, and if they stoop so low again, how will you try to get America back on board? [Dr. Pieczenik] That's an excellent question, Adrian. I really think about it, and I don't know the answer, but this is what I would speculate. Our unemployment is still remaining high. We have had capital investments, but we're not doing it into major projects, like railroads, which we need, bridges that have to be reconstructed, houses -- we need to get that unemployment, 10-19 million people, back on the job. He will get reelected, and he will probably do whatever he needs to do, which is an agenda that is not clear at this point. But he will continue to push through Obamacare, which will be a disaster for our health programs, unemployment will probably remain high, and he will keep the military positioned in areas where we don't need it, and basically, our capital cronyism will continue. But I warn of two things: the food prices and gas prices will continue to rise. Food prices have risen 35% because we decreased the value of the dollar. Commodity prices went up. But Adrian, it's an excellent question. The sheep does not change his color. Basically, he's going to be what he's always been. He's going to accommodate to the moment and to the interests of the people for whom he works, which is not the United States of America. It's banking, primarily, and Wall Street, and the transnational corporations. But it's an excellent question. I can't really further detail things out other than the fact that we are headed for more and more economic crisis. If we default on our debt, we are in major, major problem. PART SEVEN: [Alex] That's what Standard and Poor said, they said it's the increase spending, raising the debt ceiling is why we have a negative outlook on you keeping AAA, and then he came out two weeks ago and said that if we didn't raise it that would cause the default. But now they're shifting gears and saying, okay, they may have to cut. Are they starting to get some reality, Dr. Pieczenik? [Dr. Pieczenik] No, not really. What they're doing is playing with money. Remember, every currency is denominated still in the dollar system. And as long as the dollar system is there, the federal reserve will control it. At Bretton Woods, right after World War II in New Hampshire, a lot of smart men made sure that everything around the world was denominated in dollars. Where we're going to have the major problem and crisis is that we will have an inflationary spiral that they cannot control, and so that's why gold keeps going up out of fear. In and of itself gold has no value other than historical value, aesthetic value, whatever. But the bottom line is, economically, we're not in a position, unless we keep manufacturing. One of the great things about the state of Texas is that you really are very independent in many ways in terms of resources, manufacturing and oil. We have enough oil in the United States to start drilling here. Gas, oil, everywhere from Montana to down in Texas and Oklahoma. [Alex] But the cronies want to keep it shut down so they can make more money on their foreign investments and other forms of artificial scarcity. Dr. Pieczenik, I want to put bookends on this historic, now almost two-hour interview. We're going to go into super overdrive, commercial free after this one-minute break. Let's just do ten minutes together, because I have to go do some media interviews. Then I want to call you later today if you're available so we can have a private discussion about some future things to move to get the public to wake up to what's happening. Just amazing information. But please, let me twist your arm for ten more minutes on the other side so I can promise to get to Bill, Pat, Trevor and a few others. We'll be right back in super commercial free overdrive only at InfoWars.com on the streams. I'm Alex Jones with InfoWars.com. And I didn't give the number out at the end of the official radio broadcast. We're now Internet only video at PrisonPlanet.TV. And of course we are also audio streams at InfoWars.com. And PrisonPlanet.com will be back tomorrow alive as well. But I did privately give our number here at the studio to some of the callers that were holding in the last hour so they can get involved on air. If a few others want to try to get lined up its 877-789-2539. But we've only got time for a few calls here. But Dr. Pieczenik, you're letting it all hang out today and we've talked privately during the breaks ... [Dr. Pieczenik] There's more to come, believe me. This is just the beginning. [Laughs] There's a lot that's happening, compounded. But as you and I said, there is a very self-destructive element in these leaders that we've elected, and that is, and Alex and I just talked about it in the private session, as people who are basically liars and contrivers and deceivers and deceptives, what happens is, like any bank robber, they eventually get to the point where John Dillinger was caught. They want to get caught. And they get a certain thrill out of the notion that the more crisis they create, and the more deceptions they create, that really is a turn-on for them and it allows them to exert the power, and manipulation and deception that they're trained in. They're not trained for honesty. They're not trained to implement. They're not trained to be direct. They're not trained to accomplish and create asset. They're trained to deceive, manipulate and lie. That's the nature of most politicians. Because basically they're mendicants. They're asking you up front, "Please vote for me." Why? "Well, I'm a nice guy and I'll do whatever you want." Well, if I give you the money, what are you then? "Well, I'm nothing more than a prostitute." Well, that's basically what happens. They're either panderers, or they become prostitutes. But you don't expect them to affect your lives in a way where you're going to be submissive to them. So what I said to Alex, and Alex agreed, and he said the point to me, that through history, what happens to the mendicants who are elected and these sociopaths who come to power, is eventually they self-destruct. But the important thing in this self-destruction is that we do not go with them. And under George Bush, we began this self-destruction of the United States and unfortunately we're continuing that under Obama. And that has to stop. And that's why I came back on to the Alex Jones show and said, "Listen, this is an honest man who's done an incredible job, Alex, and basically people who've listened, who are smart, who work hard in this country. And I've said it again, we are in a self-destructive spiral that began 20 years ago, decades ago, with liars, deceivers, and manipulators who have destroyed the integrity and viability of our country, and have been reinforced by the laziness and incompetency of dysfunctional people both in the government and in Congress. Do not think they are any better, or they will become braver or more effective. Now the power has to come back to the United States of America to We the People, where the individual is supreme. [Alex] Absolutely. Now doc, you're showing a lot of courage because clearly you can see it's degenerating faster and faster. We've got to get real, or we're not going to be able to fix these problems. [Dr. Pieczenik] I'm not showing any courage. Let me be frank with you, Alex. I fought for this country, and I've been in eight different combat situations where my life was at risk. I don't have a problem of affording myself the next opportunity to be on your show, and if it takes a lifetime that they want to take me out, that's fine. But the issue is I'm not any more courageous than an American who has to go to work, has to take two jobs, has to support his family, has to pay food prices that are 30% higher, Medicare that's unbelievably not reflective of the times, where doctors have to be on call 24/7, or your father had to be a dental surgeon, and has no backup and no guarantee that he will make a living. This is not the American way. All I'm trying to say to America, "I'm not a hero. I'm just another American who happened to have the opportunity to serve five Presidents, I left, I didn't ask for ... " [Alex] I understand, and you're engaging in common sense in dealing with the problem, but ... [Dr. Pieczenik] That's all I am. It doesn't matter what my degree is. But I am disgusted beyond belief to tell you, "This cannot continue." The deception and lies of just another President with another Congress and another White House creating this nonsensical, psychological operation. Treating us as if we were children, stupid. And the media as if they were stupid and children. And creating this ridiculous circus of nationalism and patriotism when in fact they are cowardly, they're deceptive, they're ineffectual and they're dysfunctional. That's not acceptable. That's sick. [Alex] In closing before we take two final calls, doctor, this has been amazing. Before we go any further, just going back to the basic criminology, the psychology, it doesn't take a rocket scientist for me to see the serial killers: they start getting wilder and wilder wanting to be caught, or they send letters to the police taunting them. And really, I think that's what this is with these ridiculous lies. [Dr. Pieczenik] Of course. They want to be caught. But I will leave with two comments that I once said on your radio show, and I don't mean to be very arrogant about it. I said, "The voice of the people is the voice of God. Let's heed in the voice of your people and the American people." Let us say again, "It's enough. We don't want any more." It's basically Opus Deus Vox Op Populis Vox Deus, "The voice of the people is the voice of God." We fought a revolution against Britain. Now let us fight a revolution against the tyranny of what we see as suppression, deception, crony capitalism. It doesn't have to be violent. It does have to be effective. And I have no greater faith than in the American people than I have in any other country. Only in this country can I serve a President and also disagree with the President. And remember that. [Alex] Well, beautifully said. But I see the sickness of the modern heroes with their megalomania, through the media, pushing their false realities, infecting my fellow Americans. They're trying to sell us on their delusional sickness. It's like -- I'm sure you saw this, doctor -- the Karl Rove quote to the New York Times Reporter where they said, "You're lying about WMDs. You're setting up a police state." And he said, "You are what we call the reality-based community, trying to look for facts. But we're an empire now, we control reality even if it isn't what we say it is." And he was almost trying to break their will and just say, like O'Brien torturing Winston in 1984, "I don't want you to say 2 + 2 = 5, I want you to say and believe it's whatever I tell you. Freedom is not having a mind. Freedom is being a slave." [Dr. Pieczenik] That's right. Remember what Thomas Jefferson said very clearly, "Every generation must fight to have its own freedom." If we do not do this now, we will never do it again. Trust me. Karl Rove is nothing but a second-hand sycophant criminal. He is a disgusting individual. There's no reason why he should have come back. He's one of those war criminals. But that's not the issue. The issue is for the American public to come out again, and do what they do, whether it's Twitter or Internet, andtalk among themselves ... [Alex] Well, we're going to have you back, doctor, very soon, to talk about your research in this. [Dr. Pieczenik] I'll be happy to come back. You've been wonderful and I thank you for the opportunity to express my ideas. [Alex] You bet. We're going to cram in two final calls and we're done. Or three. Bill in Connecticut, quickly, we're on the air with Dr. Pieczenik. Thank you. [Bill] Yes. Wow. What a show, Alex. Dr. Pieczenik, from two sources from a gentleman by the name of John Perkins who wrote a book, "Confessions of an Economic Assassin," and Lindsey Williams, both were on the Alex Jones Show, had indicated that back in the early 70s Kissinger went over to the Saudis and made a deal whereby we would buy their oil if they bought our debt. And with the interest on that debt, we would build their infrastructure and their oil refineries. Flash forward to the present. Now we're in a position whereby, supposedly, the elites want to implode and devalue the dollar in order to bring either a One World currency, or the [inaudible], starting with that. And I'd like your take on that. And then the follow-up question is on the banks, what can we do to prosecute these criminals and bring them to justice? [Alex] Okay, we're almost out of time. Great question. [Dr. Pieczenik] The banks is the most important one. That has to be demanded that the criminals be prosecuted. There's no question about it. And then you can withdraw money from the banks. They are the major ones: Bank of America, City Bank, J.P. Morgan. The issue of Kissinger: I don't approve of him. I didn't work directly for him. I worked for Eagleburger. But you're correct in what he said. In terms of the money, I go back to the Bretton Woods Conference in the late 40s right after the war where all the currencies were denominated in the dollar. It will be very very hard, it costs trillions of dollars to break that currency and to create other currencies. The one will not be possible: the Russians tried it, the Arabs tried it. It's not going to work. Everything's denominated in the dollar. No matter how you look at it, as long as the dollar is there, it will be controlled by the Federal Reserve, it will be a currency to remain there for several years. The reason the dollar is going down now quite frankly is really because we are in an economic war, which is an effective war against, right now, China, because we want to export our products. And we're doing quite well at that. But the real reason is it's very hard to get a one state, or one currency element other than the dollar. It's justvery difficult. [Alex] Okay, final caller. This is just amazing. Trevor in Nevada, you're on the air. Go ahead. [Trevor] I just had a question. Well, first of all, good show, great show. I just had a question. If they're not producing a body, then is that going to expand into the courts now that they don't have to produce any body to convict anybody, or DNA evidence? [Dr. Pieczenik] I really don't know that. When you have a lie, and you distort the lie, and you make it into a circus, I don't know who's attending the circus and who's going to prosecute it. But honestly, with all due respect, this is such a travesty of reality that I don't even know how they're going to do anything or why they should do it. [Alex] Well, Dr. Pieczenik. And then we'll get another question from Trevor. Hold on a second, Trevor, because I want to get this in now before I forget. How about every news channel: "This proves torture is good. Torture is wonderful. This proves extra-judicial killing is good. This proves rendition is good. This proves it." It's like saying, it proves the moon is made out of cheese. It's just sick. [Dr. Pieczenik] It's sick. First of all, rendition created by Clinton was a disaster and it was unconstitutional. Torture does not work. If you have to do torture, it's disgusting. It's unethical. It really doesn't work. I've never had to use it, and I've had more than enough terrorists reveal what I needed to have without any torture. Thirdly, this is beyond the pale. Again, you have distortion, denial, deception and the denigration of the American public and its intelligence. And it can't continue. [Alex] Alright, Trevor, your final point and then we're going to end it. [Trevor] I was just going to say that when I first heard it, it was a massive hysteria, and I told my girlfriend the exact same thing: "This is just going to justify war and torture, and more war and more torture." And I'm already seeing it on Twitter and Facebook with people saying, "If it wasn't for information from Guantanamo Bay, none of this would have happened." And "Ra ra ra." I don't know. But that's all I have to say. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. [Dr. Pieczenik] The information from Guantanamo was not effective. A lot of them shouldn't be there. A lot of them were not even criminals. The whole thing is a farce. This war against terrorism is a total farce because it starts with the farce of 9/11, it starts with a body that never existed, Osama bin Laden. So you have one endless deception. So let's get back to the real issue: we need new people, a new America which stands up for itself, and a new government without any of this nonsense, deception and denial. We've had enough. [Alex] That's right. The system's trying to give us their collective insanity so we can live in lala land with them. It's time to break the spell, break the trance. Dr. Pieczenik, I'll say bye to you here at the end-off air. Thank you so much. God bless you. StevePieczenik.com. _______________ Librarian's Comment: [LC-1] Wikipedia notes that on November 9, 2007 -- seven days after Bhutto told David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama -- she told Fox News reporter Greta von Susteren that "I think Osama bin Laden must be rubbing his hands with glee as he looks at what's happening in Pakistan." Contrary to Wikipedia's argument, this disproves nothing. Butto's attribution of "emotion" to a dead man is of course a common manner of speaking -- as in "Thomas Jefferson must be turning over in his grave when he sees what Obama, Bush, and Congress have done to the Constitution," or "Hitler is smiling." Scrutinizing the record of a dead woman's utterances to find possible inconsistencies is just revisionism, and fails to deprive her original statement of its convincing force. To rebut Bhutto's plain statement that Omar Sheikh killed Osama, a clear recantation is required, i.e. "Osama is alive and not dead as I previously stated." Biography of Steve Pieczenik: Steve Pieczenik was born December 7, 1943 in Havana, Cuba , of Russian-Polish parents. His father, a doctor, fled Poland before World War II. His mother, a Russian Jew from Bialystok, fled Europe after many of her family members were killed. His mother and father met in Portugal. After living in Toulouse, France for six years, the family moved to New York, to Harlem. Pieczenik is a classical pianist who wrote a full-length musical at the age of eight. He attended Booker T. Washington High School in Harlem, and received a full scholarship to Cornell at the age of 16. In 1964, he received a B.A. in Pre-Medicine and Psychology from Cornell, and later attended Cornell University Medical College. In 1969, he was drafted into the U.S. Public Health Service where he eventually obtained the rank of USPHS Captain. The USPHS asked him to manage three psychiatric wards at Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, D.C. He received an NIMH scholarship that allowed him to attend a residency program in Psychiatry at Harvard. At the same time, he attended M.I.T. and got a Ph.D. in international relations under Lucien Pye, who was a member of the 'Princeton Consultants,' a group of professors who covertly consulted for the CIA. After Harvard and M.I.T., Pieczenik went right into the State Department as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Lawrence Eagleburger. He became the head of the Office of Combat Terrorism, which he created. He was the principal international crisis manager and hostage negotiator under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker. He was trained in foreign policy, international crisis management, psychological warfare, propaganda, counter-intelligence, and counter-terrorism. He served the presidential administrations of Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the capacity of deputy assistant secretary of state. At the State Department, he served as a "specialist on hostage taking," and devised successful negotiating strategies used in many high profile hostage situations with terrorists like Idi Amin, Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein. He tracked down terrorists. He participated in the regime change of Aldo Moro, and wrote a book called "We Killed Aldo Moro." He brought the regime change under Pol Pot. He neutralized the P2 scandal by indicting Berlusconi. He worked against Yasser Arafat as a terrorist, and then worked with him as a statesman. He worked with Osama bin Laden from 1978-1981 in Afghanistan. He worked with Saddam Hussein when he was our ally, and against him when he was our enemy. The head of the Islamic Brotherhood was his friend, and they went to M.I.T. together. He was the chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He helped take down the Soviet Union under Reagan. In 1975, he was promoted to colonel, but refused promotion to brigadier general in 1978 as he wanted to become a strategic adviser to the military. On September 17, 1978, Pieczenik was at the secret Camp David negotiations leading up to the signing of the Accords. In 1979, he resigned as deputy assistant secretary of state over Cyrus Vance's handling of the Iranian hostage crisis. Vance had invited Ramsey Clark into the negotiations, a man who Pieczenik consider a "left wing nut." Pieczenik thought it would turn into a disaster. In 1982, Pieczenik was mentioned in a New York Times article as "a psychiatrist who has treated C.I.A. employees". Pieczenik is fluent in five languages. including Russian, Spanish and French. He's been a psychiatrist with the National Institute of Mental Health. He's consulted with the United States Institute of Peace, a congressionally funded ‘think tank’ created in 1984 under Ronald Reagan that is similar to the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). Under the guise of promoting peace, they facilitate war and occupation. The president since 1993 is Richard H. Solomon, a former National Security Council staff member coming from the RAND Corporation. Pieczenik worked at the Rand Corporation for a year under Richard Solomon, who had brought him in to develop the Soviet takedown. The USIP also organised the Iraq Study Group. He's a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He lectures at the National Defense University at Carlyle War College, and trains students in psychological operations, and stand down and false flag operations. Dr. Pieczenik has had articles published in the American Intelligence Journal, a peer-reviewed journal published by the National Military Intelligence Association. He's a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers and National Military Intelligence Association. In the early 1990s, Dr. Pieczenik helped found Mid-Atlantic Angel Investors Club. He developed startups in radio frequency identification (RFID), object compression video, and telephone ring tones. He was managing director of Kidder Peabody in New York City, where he was brought in to clean it out and prepare it for sale. He creates TV and radio shows. He sells neutraceuticals and orphan drugs. Pieczenik is also an author, and business partner of Tom Clancy. Clancy, an American author, is known for his technically detailed espionage, military science, and techno thriller storylines set during and in the aftermath of the Cold War, along with video games which he did not work on, but which bear his name for licensing and promotional purposes. His name is also a brand for similar movie scripts written by ghost writers, and many series of non-fiction books on military subjects and merged biographies of key leaders. In creating two of Tom Clancy's books, 'Op-Center' and 'Net Force,' Pieczenik "assembled a team" that included the ghost-writer, and someone to handle the "packaging" of the novels. The Op-Center series alone had grossed more than 28 million dollars . Pieczenik wrote the books: Mind Palace, Blood Heat, My Life Is Great!, Hidden Passions , Maximum Vigilance , Pax Pacifica, State Of Emergency, and My Beloved Talleyrand . (Talleyrand was known for his exceptional capacity for intrigue and double-dealing that enabled him to serve as foreign minister to both Napoleon and his successor, Louis XVIII.) Using the pseudonym Alexander Court, Pieczenik wrote Active Measures, and Active Pursuit. ************************************************** Alex Jones Interview with Steve Pieczenik, 5/3/11 (Abridged from transcript prepared by Tara Carreon, The Ralph Nader Librarian) [Dr. Pieczenik] It is a great pleasure and an honor. I want to thank you, Alex. I want to thank what you've said. I think very much of what you said is very accurate. I will correct some of the issues that I think we've talked about. But I want to thank your audience for listening. I want to say how important Alex Jones was after 9/11 when I knew very well at that time that the American public was being deceived and was being treated as if we were fools, stupid, ignorant, and cheats. I had hoped at that time, once I was on the Alex Jones show, and I broke ranks with my people at the Council on Foreign Relations. I'm a member also of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, the National Military Intelligence Association, and I volunteer repeatedly. I volunteer to still work with our military because no. 1, I respect our military. No. 2., we have sent men and women to wars that have not been clearly defined by civilians who have never been in war, including Clinton, including Bush, Jr. in particular, who precipitated the wars into Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Obama. And I had hoped by that time, in the past, that we would have stopped fooling the American public and stopped creating an incursion into our own country, killing our own people. 9/11 has still not been fully explained. And it is not a conspiracy theory. It has nothing to do with all kinds of secrecy and cabal and any other issue. It has to do with a famous technique in warfare that we call stand down, false flag, deception and denial. It was done during Pearl Harbor. Alex explained to you yesterday it was done by Hitler. It was done by LBJ during the war in Vietnam where we had the Gulf of Tonkin and he claimed that we had had a false flag operation, and we had to shoot the Vietnamese because they shot us. That was wrong. Many men died for that. Many men went to war. And at the same time we had a stand down and a false flag which was told to me repeatedly by the people I work with, including a very famous general that I will not repeat his name to protect him until I go to a grand jury. Now, what I'm saying today is very important. I was a Deputy Assistant Secretary under Nixon, Ford and Carter. I resigned under Carter because I disagreed with the way he handled the hostage situation. I came back under Reagan to take down the Soviet Union. I came back under Bush, Sr., to work on Cambodia. I'm not a career foreign service. I'm not a career intelligence officer. I am what every American is: I'm a physician, but I'm an entrepreneur. I create businesses, and I believe in the American way of life, which is very simple: the hope, the faith, the dedication, and the lack of interference in my job, in my pocketbook, and in my speech, and in the ability to say what I want to say, by the government. That doesn't mean I'm a tea party member, I'm a liberal, I'm a conservative, or I belong to any party. I'm strictly an American. And I say this to you, as Americans: We have once again been deceived. I thought this would cease and desist by the time Bush, Jr. was elected and thrown out. I had asked that Bush, Jr. be indicted for war criminal. Cheney be indicted. Rumsfeld. Condoleezza Rice. Steve Hadley. It goes on and on and on. The issue now is, we have brought to the forefront at a time when America is in deep peril economically, as Alex Jones has correctly explained to you, we are in deep peril because we are in two wars of which I have no idea why we're there. And I had warned even on the Alex Jones Show nine years ago, not we will go into Afghanistan and Iraq after the 9/11, and I predicted ... that Osama bin Laden would be dead, and had been dead for over seven months, not because Special Forces killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him, and it was on the intelligence roster that he had Marfan syndrome. Now many of you can look up on the Internet Marfan syndrome. It's a disease, a genetic abnormality which Abraham Lincoln had. And it's a disease of the cataracts of the eyes, of the coronary arteries. And what happens in that disease is you have a very short lifespan. The fact that he had renal dialysis was not an issue of renal stones, which can be cured, and is not that serious or life threatening, but he needed that dialysis machine so he had to take it with him. It was not an accident that his No. 2 man, al-Zawahiri, was a physician. It is not an accident that most leaders of terrorist organizations around the world are physicians. That's why I know them, because we understand our code of ethics and creed. Osama bin Laden died when we went into Afghanistan. General Tommy Franks had stated very clearly that he had died, and he made a slip. Now, we knew he had already died by that time, by the time we had already gone into Afghanistan, and in Pakistan we knew he was dead. So the notion, when I came on the radio station in 2002 with Alex Jones, I said, "Listen, Osama bin Laden's dead. He's dead. There's no question about it. He had Marfan Syndrome. It had nothing to do with Special Forces. He was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush, Jr. created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism. Now, I have been in that world for 30 years. During 30 years we have never been attacked in America. I repeat it again. The question is not that we are safer now. Nope. We're not safer. The issue is, we had never been attacked up till 9/11 because Bush, Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and a group of other generals who are involved -- I know who they are and they know who I am -- decided that we had to mobilize the public in order to create a war on terrorism, which is an oxymoron. That war on terror no longer exists. We went into Iraq, our military forces, and I have to tell you, I have the greatest respect for our military men. And I'm saying this to you, the generals, the colonels, the majors and the captains, and I've been lecturing at the War College every year: ... "Beware of the orders that you receive from civilian presidents, like Bush, Clinton and Obama. Particularly Presidents who have never served in a war, and do not know what the consequences of the war are, and the number of men and women who die bravely for our country and our cause, because some civilian has to manipulate his political career at the expense of the American public and at the expense of the bodies and the blood and guts of our warriors who are so important to us." You see, Mr. Jones, the key question America has to ask again, and why I went back on your show, is this has much greater implication just than the distortions and lies that are created by the intelligence community. And believe me, I work with the intelligence community. The question is, "Why does that have to be done repeatedly, in different administrations for the American public?" Particularly now with a President, as you said, who had the lowest ratings, whose historical background is in question. I'm not only talking about his birth certificate. Forget that! His education, how he came to power, whom he represents. And particularly in the time when Wall Street and the bankers have gotten away with the greatest crime in the history of America. Nobody was indicted. And particularly at a time when I do not understand, I who've been in war eight different times, why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq, and why men and women are dying. So the issue becomes a little bit greater than the question of "Did the CIA or intelligence community doctor up this situation?" The answer is yes! Categorically yes! Anybody who tells you it's not is lying. This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen, and they look as if they're intent. That's nonsense. It's a total make-believe. We're in an American theatre of the absurd. ... There's no way they could have attacked or killed or confronted Osama bin Laden unless you believe in the resurrection of Osama bin Laden. And I don't. So, let me break it through: you have a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mullen, whose father was a publicist at the William Morris Agency, who is very much concerned about how he's going to leave the military as an admiral. Alright? You have a President who is in deep, deep trouble, who has no idea of how to get us out of unemployment, and has a disparity between the very rich and the very poor, when no banker in the history of this country after stealing billions of dollars and coming back to the American public and asking us for bonuses had never been arrested for this, yet some people who have cheated on their taxes or poor people who have not been able to get jobs are put in prison or are waiting on welfare. So we have a President, who from the day he came in ... declares war in Afghanistan.... And who is in Afghanistan right now? We're talking about a man, Karzai, whom I knew, and I was there at the house 20 years ago in Maryland, when this delicatessen owner from Silver Springs was ordered to come back -- he was a CIA operative as I remembered him -- and was put into position where we have nothing but corruption, destruction, and basically the killing of our own people. [Osama] died of Marfan syndrome. Bush, Jr. knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it. CIA had already sent a physician way before under the Clinton Administration to see him at the American Hospital in Dubai. He was already very sick from Marfan Syndrome. And he was already dying. So nobody had to kill him. He had al-Zawahiri, who was a physician with him, who is still a physician. I don't know where he is. But we knew he was already dead. By 9/11 it was very clear that he was dying. In Tora Bora he probably died. Basically the President was in very deep trouble ... He had the birther issue come out. He proved, he said he was American. But now he had to prove that he was more than American. He was more American than American. He had to be aggressive. At the same time you had an admiral who had really not done very well as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and would make some serious gaffs by giving a medal of honor to Greg Mortenson, who lied going into Pakistan saying he had built schools for women and looked like a fool. You have Panetta who really caused a lot of civilian damage in the Pakistan area. And the Pakistanis were furious with him because when he came with the CIA, quite frankly, without telling you any great secret, it's already in open source intelligence, about 80% of the CIA presently is not involved in intelligence, it is involved in what is called Operation Killing, Special Ops. And that means that many of the Special Forces soldiers have been shifted over to the CIA that used to be in the old office of SOLIC, Special Operations Low Intensity Conflict, but they have a new office, and Panetta was really just killing people right and left with the drones and creating a lot of friction and a major alienation between the American generals and the Pakistani generals, the ISI. Lastly, we have a foreign policy that didn't work under Hillary Clinton. As you know, like Condoleezza Rice, she probably booked in more miles than any other Secretary of State, and was totally incompetent. She was not able to preempt or really be able to figure out any strategic assessments or analysis of what happened in the Middle East, or predict the uprising in Syria, in Libya, Tunisia, and was really not able to hold out, and was not competent. So you have a whole series of administrative people, both civilians and military, who are not competent. And they had to show that they could really prove some sense of competency at a time when there was a re-election. It has a real sense of political expediency. Having said that, it was a very politically expedient factor for the President to say, "I'm going to get reelected. I've shown my firmness. I've shown I'm an American. I've shown that I can turn around the economy," which he hasn't. Secretary of State Hillary can say, "Look, we accomplished the end of a major, significant movement in the war on terrorism," which they haven't, because from a tactical and an intelligence assessment point of view, this has not changed the game whatsoever. There are no terrorists really right now in Afghanistan. The only terrorists right now are being supported by Halqa which is supported by the Pakistani Interservice Intelligence, which ... ironically is being supported by the CIA. And even Halqa has been reporting back to our intelligence operatives saying, "What in God's name is going on? We're being paid by your CIA through the ISI to kill your soldiers?" Now, if you can explain that to me, you're going to have to explain that to the American public. And that's what I meant by deception and denial that's been going on for three administrations: Clinton, Bush, and this administration. It has to stop. So what I'm saying to you very clearly is, this is a civilian Psy Ops game that continues from presidency to presidency. We in the United States can no longer have a two party system where we have a Republican and Democrat where it really is not functioning very well. And it's costing the American public a fortune in both blood and guts and money. We've spent over $333 billion, approximately $50 million dollars for every so-called "terrorist" that was taken out of Afghanistan, which was about 2,000 terrorists. Now if you can find me 2,000 more terrorists in Pakistan, I will give you a couple more million, because they don't exist. Now, what is the result? We're not going to go to World War III. But what's happening is another form of economic warfare has entered, and that is China, who has benefited from all that we have done, the dysfunctional behavior and the mis-assessment, and the lack of strategy and the lack of leadership, and the disasters that we have created with the drones and our CIA so-called operations where we kill civilians. We've alienated the Pakistanis who in turn have invited the Chinese to come down and work with them, both militarily and economically. And what has Karzai said publically? "I don't want the Americans here," because he already has raped and ripped us of about $3 billion dollars a week. And at the same time he has asked the Chinese to come in and invest in Afghanistan. Now that's the reality. I really know [the entire leadership of Pakistan and Afghanistan] way before the Afghan war. I was involved in the major hostage situation in Washington called the Hanafi Muslim. I was brought in by Earl Silbert when 350 hostages were taken in Washington, and I was able through 36 hours of negotiating against the orders of Carter. I actually threw out Jimmy Carter outside. So you can see I don't always acquiesce to a civilian controller president. And basically there was a very important gentleman who worked with me named Yaqub Khan. Yaqub Khan was the foreign minister of Pakistan, was our ambassador to the United States, but was the father of the Pakistani army. As a result of that, I got to know the various generals throughout his ranks, who they were. And he talked to me about El-Zia, Musharraf, Benazir Bhutto, her father, what would happen. So I intimately got to know both the military elements of this incredible army that was trained under General Yaqub Khan, and a friend of mine was also the head of the Islamic Brotherhood. Believe it or not, we went to M.I.T. together. So I knew all of these elements, and I knew they were extremely sensitive to our relationship with America, and at the time they were useful in the fight against the Soviet Union. But at the same time, I was clearly warned, very early on, that they would turn against us, and basically have a blowback, which you've talked about in the past. So using Yaqub Khan, I knew exactly where the elements were, the concerns they had about the CIA continuously supporting the Interservice Intelligence Agency, the fact that the ISI was getting out of control, was no longer under military or civilian control in Pakistan, and was beginning to form their own so-called groups that we call "terrorist groups," as a forefront to making sure that Pakistan had a ancillary army or basically an auxiliary army, or paramilitary unit that could fight against India. And one of the things your audience has to understand: Pakistan's greatest obsession right now is not with the Taliban or Halqa. Those are the groups that they support even till today. India is their greatest obsession. And I would speak to the general and other Pakistani officials and explain to them, "Look, India is not an issue for you. India is twice the size you are. They have twice the number of nuclear warheads. You have 600,000 soldiers. At that time they [India] had 2.2 million. Kashmir is not an issue. Nevertheless, Pakistan, to this day, has felt very strongly that India is sending down operatives to the Chinese and other Soviets into Afghanistan, and are using those operatives in order to get a possession into Afghanistan. And at the same time, Pakistan feels that India is infiltrating Kashmir. So there's a whole other scenario which we have not been able to handle. There's one more reason why Osama bin Laden came out of the bed, so to speak, the resurrection, or the psy ops resurrection of Osama bin Laden. And that is, for the first time you've heard people like Clapper, the director of the National Intelligence Organizations, and the Center for Counterterrorism, and all the intelligence organizations which amount to God knows how many now, have really worked together ineffectively. So it's a justification to say that under Obama we have really integrated our intelligence community so that we effectively can kill and are able to kill a dead man, in my opinion. Osama bin Laden was dead.... One of the reasons [Obama's doing it is] so that they basically can pull out of Pakistan. They can try and leave Afghanistan and Iraq with the sense that there was a victory. There is no victory, because there was no clear designation as to what the war was to accomplish. We have no idea what the war accomplished other than ten years of wasted bodies and brave men and women and $333 billion a year. Secondly, we now have a very serious economic issue with unemployment still up exceedingly high, much higher than the designations. We have a banking crisis that hasn't been resolved. In three years, we've had banks after banks: Chase, Morgan Stanley, J.P. Morgan and Chase, Bank of America, all of them have committed crimes, beyond a reasonable doubt. If you look at the Banking Commission Report that's done by our own federal government, they indict them. And there's basically no attention them, and nobody has even been prosecuted, and Obama went back to them yesterday and asked them for more money. They're going to raise a billion. We're also in a position where we're not doing very well in the international arena. We have literally lost our basic strategic superpower position. Although we have a large army, we're basically in the same position that the British military was in the 1900s, a very large army without a strategy, without a cause, and without a country. I often said to our military, "We had an army without a country," and I say to our country that, "We have a country without a military." Because right now it's costing us a fortune. We have no benefits derived from it. There are no enemies that we have other than the internal security of our country.... We have further problems. We have the notion that a system is not working. And that's what I keep coming back to, since I said 10 years ago when we had Bush, Jr., and now we have Obama, we elect people who are basically panderers without any history of accomplishment, without any history of success other than the fact that they pander their way and agree to acquiesce to anybody who is giving them money or power, and represent other interests. [Regarding my career,] very quickly, I went to Harvard and M.I.T. at the same time, not because I was so smart but because Harvard wasn't as good as I thought it was. I got a psychiatric degree at Harvard and a Ph.D. in International Affairs under Lucien Pye. I was trained in psychological warfare, propaganda, counter-intelligence, counter-terrorism. I went right into the State Department working for Lawrence Eagleburger and became the head of the Office of Combat Terrorism. I created that. I worked against Arafat as a terrorist, and then years later I worked with Arafat as a statesman.... I then went on to remain in the Carter administration where I was involved in the regime change of Aldo Moro. I neutralized the Red Brigade, the P-2 scandal. I indicted Berlusconi then. I'm sorry he ever came back. I left under Carter. I resigned and refused to go to Iran because I had Ramsey Clark there and I thought it would be a disaster. I went on then to create businesses. My real love, and this country's great love, why I feel I'm a very strong American, is that I'm an entrepreneur. I am what we call an angel investor. I use my own money to create businesses and start them up and build them ... like radio frequency identification, the Tom Clancy franchises, the TV shows, even radio shows. And now I'm doing neutraceuticals, and I'm doing orphan drugs. I was promoted to colonel at a very early age of 32. I refused promotion to brigadier general at 37 because I felt not that I want to be in the army, but I felt I could serve my country best by going back out into public service and into private service, and then offer my services for free, make my money outside on my own, and then come back and serve my country to the military and other organizations, and be able to go overseas for our country, and offer strategic advice.... I came back under Reagan and worked on the Soviet Union. I was up at the Rand Corporation for a year under a man called Richard Solomon, who brought me in to develop the Soviet takedown, the psychological operation we were involved in....I then came back under Bush, Sr. and I was involved in bringing the peace treaty under James Baker, to bring the regime change under Pol Pot without using any wars, without using any soldiers. My point is, most of the things that I've done, and I've done a lot in the Middle East against Habash, Halakme [?], even in the Gaza strip where I worked with the PLO, against the PLO, and where ironically, and this will be a soft spot for the Israelis, in '88 I was sent out by Schultz to find out what was going on with the PLO, and I found out that the Shinbed of Israel in 1988 was creating a group called Hamas, which was used as a counterforce to the PLO. And of course, eventually everybody learned that Hamas had a blowback, and now the Israelis have created their own Frankenstein. The point being that we are not the only country in the world to create our own Frankensteins through al Qaeda, which was really the Mujahideen before. I was involved with that under the Carter administration, subsequently in other administrations.... [I saw Osama bin Laden] in Afghanistan very briefly, but I was more involved with other operational concerns, particularly the Pakistanis. I didn't know him very well. Basically I knew he was sick at the time. I knew he had renal disease. And I knew he had Marfan, because you could see that. But basically the guys who were CIA operatives said he had a supportive role there and he was financing most of the elements there. My interest was really more strategic. From my point of view, he was not the keystone of the operations there. That really was a CIA operation.... Do not believe any politicians who come to you and tell you they believe in something, whether Republicans or Democrats. They are all full of B.S. Because all they care about is their own narcissism, their own desire for power. Very few people are really interested in serving the government and then they would leave without pay. I really have never found any of these people except in my case I found Bush, Sr., I found Baker who really didn't need money, even Vance on both sides. You know why [Bush, Sr.] became CIA director? Even Jeb Bush didn't know it. He became CIA director because Donald Rumsfeld wanted to neutralize him from running for the presidency. And for 20 years, most people don't realize, neither Cheney nor Rumsfeld were allowed in the White House because they tried to neutralize the future of this quiet man who never, never promoted himself.... That was one of the reasons why I got on the phone when I was in Montana and I told Baker ... "What in God's name are you doing sending out the Chairman of the Republican party" who was, whatever, very bizarre and unusual in his orientation in talking about abortion, and I said, "Get rid of these guys. And what are you doing with Cheney and Rumsfeld?" I mean, these guys were persona non grata for 20 years in our administration. So basically, the American public has to understand that even under Bush, Jr. we had basically a quiet civil war that was going on between his father's people, who are non-ideological, and those who try to implement ideology in their own narcissism. What we have now is a very narcissistic, incompetent President with a very dysfunctional White House and a dysfunctional intelligence community. On the other hand, let me warn you, that the Republicans and other parties have no candidates that are capable of filling the role that America needs today, which is a pragmatic, non-narcissistic, non-jingoistic practical man or woman who has served our country, on behalf of our country, hopefully in the military, hopefully in business, and hopefully has had a clean history and can understand where we're going strategically and tactically. That has not happened in the past 24 years. That's basically where we are today... [Alex] Why did you go public in 2002 with something at the time that sounded a little bit wild to some people? [Steve] Everybody who has accused me of making wild statements regretted it ten years later. Aldo Moro did. Pol Pot did. Noriega. All regretted the fact when I said to them, "You're leaving, and you're not staying," they were gone. The reason I came forth and I said, "I warned Bush Jr. and Cheney and Rumsfeld, 'You will pay for the crimes you've committed against the American public, and part of that is this nonsense of Osama bin Laden being the leader of some nonsensical group that we created under the Carter administration, was fostered through tens of years, and going into Pakistan through the nonsensical war that didn't exist, to allow men and women to die. [Alex] Are you bottom line saying they ran the attacks or they hired some criminal group to do it? [Steve] No, no, no. They ran the attacks. The 9/11 is a total manufacture of one organization: the White House under Bush, Jr. Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Hadley, Condoleezza Rice, Zalmay Khalilzad, Elliot Abrams, the CFR. I'm happy to confront them. The event of 9/11 was carried out for one purpose: It was carried out to mobilize the American public to go to a war that they didn't need to go to, that they knew nothing about, where we had pre-positioned soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq six to nine months beforehand. And what it was done, it was based on Paul Wolfowitz's, Richard Cheney, Bush, Jr., Steve Hadley, Elliot Abrams in the White House, Ahmed Khalilzad, Dennis Ross who is now still an envoy who has never been held accountable, you have Condoleezza Rice, we have all the people who were in the military, particularly the Air Force generals who were involved. They can deny it as much they want, but I have the whole list of names. They know who they are. And the intel, the CIA operatives who worked under SOLIC, Special Operations Low Intensity Conflict, were all involved in what's called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretense that we were attacked by al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, which was an absolute, unmitigated lie. It was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz. I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open. I was furious. I knew it had happened. I taught stand down and false flag operations at the National War College. I've taught it with all my operatives, so I knew exactly what was done to the American public. Believe it or not, I had worked on George Bush, Jr.'s campaign with Bob Zelleck. Not with the Vulcans, but with Bob Zelleck in order to work against Gore, which I regret today because I had been loyal to his father. And that issue of Osama bin Laden who had already been dead really brought up the issue of the Great Lie, and the Great War that was created for us to make sure that we had some type of commitment to a war that was not necessary, where blood and guts were shed for unnecessary reasons... [Alex] I've got to stop you because this is so dangerous. I believe this is the first time you've gone this far. [Dr. Pieczenik] No, I don't think so. [Laughs] The people who I mentioned understand that we all have a mutual, let's say mutual deterrent relationship. It's not going to be to their benefit. I will [release the general's name who told me] in the federal court so that we can unravel this legally. Not with this stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd. That was the most absurd thing I had heard.... When I went on your show and I told you Osama bin Laden was dead in 2002, I wasn't hypothesizing. I knew it because he had Marfan syndrome. I knew the CIA had investigated, had treated him in a Dubai Hospital, an American hospital. They can deny anything they want. That's all they do. They run around creating problems ... This Osama bin Laden issue, again, keystones the issue about an incompetent, dysfunctional administration that is lying once again to the American public. We can't continue this. This is why I went on your show. I don't care whether Obama is desperate or he's incompetent or he's narcissistic. I care that he does not get reelected. I care that the Republicans don't get reelected. I care that the American people stand up once again and say, "We've had enough of this bullshit, with all of these politicians on the Republican and Democratic side, the capital cronyism, the entire incompetency, the transnational corporations." And believe me, I don't come from the left or the right. You don't serve Nixon, Reagan and Bush and come out with these comments. I'm not losing friends and I'm not making friends. I don't really care about those things. I do care, as an American, don't mess with me. You can imagine the real word I wanted to use. Don't mess with me and don't mess with any of my people in America. That's it. And the politicians think they can mess with me.... And then under Bush, Jr. we have a major crisis in the banking system. He doesn't know what to do. He brings in Paulsen who had no idea what he was doing, because I was a banker, by the way. One of my positions was as managing director of investment bank, taking it down for six months, and I left Wall Street it was so disgusting. And I knew Paulsen had no idea. And when I talked to the congressmen I said, "Listen, guys, you don't have a banker there. They have no idea what they're doing." Lo and behold that whole thing unfolded, and now we have such a crippled banking system. You know it's time again that I say we have our own Tahrir Square. The young kids of Egypt went forth and did what they did. America needs a second revolution. That second revolution has to entail the peaceful means by which we can get rid of this type of capital cronyism, corruption, and criminal activity. Again, we were born of a revolution, a real revolution. We fought England twice, not once but twice. And we need to now understand that our government no longer serves the people, for the people, by the people. And that's why I came back on your show... Thank you for allowing me to address your incredible public. This is enough, and that's all I want to say.
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