9/11 MYSTERIES:  DEMOLITIONS

by Sofia Shafquat (Moniker:  Monica Smallstorm)

9/11 Mysteries: Demolition Video
Eric Hufschmid's Interview with Sofia Shafquat of 9/11 Mysteries
Painful  Deceptions, by Eric Hufschmid

[Transcript prepared from the recording by Tara Carreon, American Buddha Online Library Librarian]

Eric Hufschmid:  Hello everybody.  This is Eric Hufschmid.  It's October 26, 2006.  And today I have Sofia.  She's the creator of that DVD 9/11 Mysteries that we told you all about, a few weeks ago.  Sofia, how you doing tonight?

Sofia: I'm very well, Eric, thank you so much.

Eric:  Well, we've been getting all sorts of comments about your video, and even selling some for you, and I thought it would be great if we could get a little background on who you are, and your video, and how you got into it, and whatever else you've been experiencing since then.  So could you give a little background, because most people don't even know you're a real person. 

Sofia:  Why do people not know I'm a real person?

Eric:  Well, for one reason, there's one person, as an example, saw the video on the Internet, and the sound was not matching exactly to the voices, and he thought about it and he comes back with this email, "Ah ha!  This is not real.  Those voices are yours and you've pretended to be that Brad person in the beginning, and you pretended to be that woman at the end."  So there are people who initially were not even sure who created it.  Some people thought it was me who created it.  And I suppose since you've been on a few interviews, people now realize you're a real person, but ...

Sofia:  Well, actually there is quite a mystery as to who made the movie, which is fine with me.  It's just one more 9/11 mystery. 

But I didn't want to bring attention to myself.  I wasn't even going to put my name on the video.  I just wanted to put the video out there and let it do its thing, but it was actually Brad who suggested that if I didn't create some kind of authorship, that anyone could step forward and say they made the video.  And I guess I thought the better of that.  So I did put a moniker into the credits, and don't ask me what a moniker is.  My name is Monica.  Monica Smallstorm. 

Eric:  Smallstorm.  Now what about Brad.  Because he's another mystery of 9/11 mysteries.  Could you at least give a little background for people on who the two of you are, and how you met, and what is your relationship.

Sofia:  Yes, we actually met at the Michael Moore event, and it was because of you, Eric.  You see, your tendrils, or tentacles, are knotting up everywhere.

Eric:  Wait a minute.  The Michael Moore event.  What does that have to do with me?

Sofia:  Well, you will remember, Eric, after I created the little flash movie, the 3 minute thing that luckily went worldwide within a few months of us doing it, actually you helped write it and helped gather some of those pictures, and then I made it with my wonderful flash technician.  We created those little cards, those little Huge Questions cards.  And I dressed as George Bush with a rubber George Bush mask, and a child's extra large flight suit, and a crash helmet -- which was a child's motorcycle helmet but it worked for a flight helmet -- and I filled the flight helmet with 1,000 of those cards.  And I got into the Michael Moore event.  There were 10,000 people at that event.  You remember, he was traveling the country trying to get John Kerry elected.

Eric:  Oh, it was for the election, not for his Fahrenheit 9/11 movie?

Sofia:  I believe Fahrenheit 9/11 had come out.  But his mission was to work the students of the country into voting, into activism.

Eric:  So this was just before the 2004 election?

Sofia:  Yes.  And anyway, I was there in my Bush outfit.  And there were 10,000 people, and I had 1,000 cards.  So if you do a little math, I had a one in ten chance of handing a card to Brad, who I did not know.  And in fact I did.  I couldn't believe how many people were reaching out to the grandstands to me.  They wanted whatever Bush was passing out.  And people couldn't get enough of the cards and me.  And a man actually dragged me off and spanked me hard many many times and I had to beg him to stop.  I had to tell him, "I'm not Bush!  Stop it!"

Eric:  That might not have been why he was spanking you, though.

Sofia: Well, it was actually not pleasant.

Eric:  What was Brad doing there?  I thought he was a Republican?

Sofia:  Yes, Brad's a conservative Republican, but he decided he was interested enough to see what this Michael Moore guy was all about since he was coming to town. 

So anyway, I was handing out your cards, and I had to pause for air.  My mask was dreadfully hot.  And I pulled it off and breathed.  And everybody looked at me because they wanted to see who Bush really was.  And Brad saw that I was female.  And he looked down at the card in his hand that I had just given him, and he saw it had to do with your website.  And he already knew you because you will remember he put up his own website, which is now a gigantic 9/11 website, Question911.com, and he had put up two 9/11 movies on that website:  Dave Von Kleist's "In Plane Site," and your "Painful Deceptions."  So he knew who you are, and he saw this little card that this Bush character was handing out, and he couldn't believe it!  It was a coincidence!  Then when he got home, he emailed you and asked you who this woman was, dressed as Bush and handing out cards for your website.  And you told him that it was someone who lived in the same town that he lived in.  And so you put us together.  And Brad and I brainstormed night after night after night about 9/11.  We were quite amazed at public resistance to this topic.  They didn't want to know much, if anything. 

And so over the months, we put together a little presentation, which actually wasn't little, it was about 6 hours long, and we did it in a conference room at a law firm that I had a friend who was kind enough to let us use.  And 20 people came.  I invited the most thinking people I could dig up: 

lawyers -- not that lawyers think, but anyway we'll leave the lawyer jokes for later, people who had run for Congress, I invited a MIT engineer, an oil industry consultant, and then a few regular people who are just very smart.  I wanted to see what the resistance would be to this information.  We had six hours of video evidence, even taken from documentaries.  We just showed documentaries to these people, segments of them, and then we gave a little bit of running commentary.  And at the end, we discovered there was no resistance!  They were all sitting there, around this conference table, their jaws had basically dropped into their lap, and they just said, "What can we do?  What do we do with all of this?"  And a friend of mine had come down from L.A., and he saw this as well, and he told me, "You've got to cut this down to two hours and take it on the road.  I'll get you bookings in L.A."

So he took us up to L.A., and we did a few churches.  And at first the turnout was very very scanty.  And then we had an interview on KPFK.  And that is a Pacifica station.  And it was remarkable.  We got something like, I think, 150 people to our Pasadena event, which was May 1st of last year.  And that produced an invitation from somebody in the theatre business.  He wanted us to do this weekly at a theatre in L.A., because he felt people should know that it was going to happen.  They should know where to tell people to go.  It couldn't be done scattergun:  once here, once there, six weeks later someplace else.  So we did get an invitation from the Met Theatre, which is a progressive, little theatre that has been doing amazing works, many of them political, for some 20 or 30 years.  And we did this show.  It wasn't a drama.  It was not a play.  We did our presentation and you were a guest, I think, once to the Met Theatre, a couple of times to some of our other events.  And it was a collection of video evidence presented in the darkness of the theatre, with live narration by Brad and myself.  And we had it in four sections:  demolitions; hijackers and planes; wargames; and who will benefit.  And by the time we were doing, "Who Benefits," we tied everything together about the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, the stock trades -- people were quite blown away!  And we decided to make a DVD out of this, because taking it farther than L.A. was a little bit difficult, logistically.  So anyway, I have talked up a storm.

Eric:  Yeah, I had forgotten how you and Brad met.  So you reminded me.  I had forgotten about that.  So it was in the summer of 2005 that you were doing those shows at the Met Theatre, I guess.

Sofia:  Yes.  Last year.

Eric:  And you did, what, about half a dozen?

Sofia:  Six, yes.

Eric:  I remember going to one of them, at least.

Sofia:  And it was very hot that day.  And you wore your black undertaker's suit.

Eric:  Ha ha!  My suit, yeah.  So it was in the summer of 2005 you were doing the shows.  And then you decided to start working on the DVD a few months later I guess.

Sofia:  Well, just about at the end of the summer.  Because our choice was to keep doing the show, and keep driving to L.A. every weekend.  And it was a bit of an ordeal.  It took a whole day to drive up, set up, and do the show, and then go out to dinner with all the people who wanted to go out to dinner with us, which was all very nice, but it was a whole day.  So I decided -- Brad was very busy doing his normal work -- and it fell upon me to create the movie.  So I didn't really know what I was getting into.  I just thought, "Oh, this will be easy. We'll just use the clips that we have, and I'll narrate, and that will be that."

Eric:  I remember that part where you were thinking it would be easy and done in a couple of months.

Sofia:  Well, that's what the first video editor that we hired quoted.  He said he could do it in three weeks.  But in three weeks he kind of walked off the job.

Eric:  So it ended up taking more like a year, if I remember correctly, didn't it?

Sofia:  Well, I found that so many people were interested to contribute research to us, including you and others who had seen the show.  Everyone seems to have their private trove of 9/11 discovery. 

So I received gifts of many videotapes, magazines and books.  I was asked to consider everything and put together the movie from this enormous bank of material.  And as I started assembling the movie -- now I have written professionally, so I understood that the writing of this would be crucial -- and having written a couple of novels, and a few screenplays -- and I was a book doctor, which meant that I analyzed people's manuscripts and prepared them for marketability, literary representation in publishing -- so I had a good eye for what made a piece of writing work; therefore, when I entered this movie-making endeavor, I knew that I had to have a very well constructed script that had to have, almost like a narrative arc to it, a story arc, because most of the 9/11 movies were questions of clips, and they didn't really cohere in an artistic way. So my challenge was to try to do that with the material.  And I didn't know that I would be able to, but it seems that that's been the result from the way people have responded.  So I guess I was lucky ...

Eric.  But you also put a lot of time and effort into it, didn't you?  Wasn't it about a year?

Sofia:  Yes.  Well, actually, I started doing the actual building of the timeline in January.  And it was going to be for the whole movie.  And the whole movie was designed to be something like two hours.  Designed -- I mean, in my wildest dreams.  And then I realized as I was doing the demolition section itself, that alone was going to be huge.  So in April, I had the brainwave of releasing 9/11 Mysteries Part 1 Demolitions, and getting all you demolition maniacs your own huge feature-length movie.  It would be about the demolitions of 9/11, which in many ways you could even say is the safest angle or aspect of the whole picture.  Because it's the cleanest.  It involves laws of science.

Eric:  It's difficult to argue with it.

Sofia:  Right.  And the terrain of the Pentagon, and the hijackers, and whether planes hit the towers, or mirages hit them -- I'm just using that word very loosely, I beg forgiveness from anyone --

Eric:  And then for anyone who's never gone through making a video, I was going to point out you even had to go through several video editors before you even found one that could do the job.

Sofia:  Yes, I did use rather more basic editors to do assembly with me.  And then I took the project to someone who was much more skilled, and much more expensive, but enormously talented.  And he was a mainstreamer.  And that was another bonus that I didn't really appreciate until a little bit later.  Because if something didn't make sense to him, we just worked on the movie from A to Z.  It was written, he would go piece by piece with me, we would sit down, we'd spend whatever it was -- a week -- doing a section.  And he wouldn't know what was coming later.  So each section was a brand new aspect of 9/11 that he really didn't know anything about.  So as I would explain to him first, and then we actually started working on it, I would drill him as to whether or not it made sense to him.  And he's very honest, and he's also very logical, and also very artistic.  So he's a good mix of two very important things, I guess you could call them left and right brain.  And he would just tell me, if something didn't make sense.  I would then simplify it, or clarify it.

Eric:  So he was like a test case.

Sofia:  Yes, he was.

Eric:  And then when you released it, it was September, wasn't it? 

Sofia:  By the skin of my teeth -- whatever that means -- I managed to get this thing out by September 11th, because, you know, if you're going to release it, and have any big celebration of a release date, it would be that.

Eric:  And when you say he was expensive, you were doing this with borrowed money, then, weren't you?  You're not independently wealthy or getting donations or anything?

Sofia:  No, the donations, they trickled in, but they were very small.  And I thank every single person who gave me a donation.  I actually wrote thank you notes to the people who gave me donations.

Eric:  You mean, during the creation of it, you were getting donations?

Sofia:  A little bit.  I have something up on the website, if you want to sponsor 9/11 Mysteries, most of them are about $25.  But still, everything, it's the intention, you know?  And I wished that there had been people with very deep pockets who would have written gigantic checks, but that didn't happen.  And so I really had to resort to credit cards, and I tapped my house.

Eric:  A second mortgage, you mean?

Sofia:  Um hum. 

Eric:  So now that you have it out on the Internet for free, and people can buy the DVD, what sort of reaction have you been getting from people?  Is it what you were expecting?  Are you at all surprised in any way? 

Sofia:  Well, I'm a little surprised because it's largely a very emotional reaction.  People have reported to me -- I get emails consistently -- and a lot of people say they have been moved to tears, and they are gripped by the movie in a way that I never intended.  I think the net effect of the music, and I think the stuff I put at the end, really kind of grabs people.  There's a great sadness to the end of the movie, and that hits home in a way that a lot of our work in 9/11 hasn't managed to do.  And Brad had urged me to keep in mind the emotional content of what I was doing.  And I don't know if you can really manipulate it successfully until you've tried and you've tested it, but he pointed out that the official videos, and all of those programs -- and we've certainly got a barrage of them this last month of September -- that they really yank your emotions.  It's all constructed on sentimentality, and you're supposed to be very sad about the people who've died -- which is of course warranted -- but that should not mask inquiry into the details, and the how and the why and the who of all this. Just because a tragedy happened doesn't mean we shouldn't look into it.  So I think the glaring mistake that the world has made is they have decided to move on.  Just move on. 9/11 is over.  Look towards the future.

Eric: And what about people, like you were saying Ray McGovern has even been there to show the film.  Is that what he was doing?  Showing it to someone, showing it to a group in Florida?

Sofia:  I don't think it's fair to say Ray McGovern "shows" the film, but he was invited to a screening of the film.

Eric:  Oh, invited to see it.

Sofia:  Yes.  And he was going to say a few words to introduce it, and I had actually sent him a copy of the movie beforehand, but as it turned out, he was doing an interview at the very same time that the movie was beginning, so somebody else introduced it, and then he watched the rest of it and did say a few words at the end.

Eric:  Have you heard about how he felt about it yet?

Sofia: I was told by people who were there that I think he said, "I am speechless."  That's what I think they emailed me.

Eric:  Do you know if it's getting to other people who are sort of prominent in this whole so-called "Truth" movement?

Sofia:  Prominent in the truth movement?

Eric:  Like Ray McGovern.  See, a lot of people are saying they don't really know what happened yet.  Like if you look at people in Air America, or on Bill O'Reilly, you know, a lot of these people will make it appear as if they don't really know what's going on.  I was wondering if you know, have these people actually seen the movie?  Because, you know, now Ray McGovern has seen it.  He can't say he hasn't.

Sofia:  Right.

Eric:   See, when they come out in public and someone asks them about 9/11, their typical excuse is, "Well, I haven't really looked into it."

Sofia:  Well, several people have asked me to give them a copy to give directly to Amy Goodman.  I think it's two people.  And I autographed one for her.  I wrote, "For Amy, from Sofia," on the disk.  So I hope that made it to her.

Eric:  But you have no idea if it did.

Sofia:  No, I have no idea, no.

Eric:  Have you heard anything, in your movie you do mention Building 7.  One of the unusual things about what was inside of it -- cases like Enron, and evidence of other crimes -- have you gotten any feedback on that?  Because if you look at what somebody else is saying, the CEO of Overstock.com is saying, what we see with Enron, he says, is only the tip of the iceburg, that there is a much, much, much bigger scandal going on with the stock market, and even with Enron than what we see.  And I was wondering if you heard anything since your movie came out, has anyone offered you any more information, or anything about this Building 7, or Enron, or what the SEC cases were inside of that building, or anything?

Sofia: Well, I've only been made aware of an article that's on the Eighth Estate website.  It's Richard Grove's website.  So I did read that article.  But it wasn't conclusive in terms of, you know, which cases exactly.  And I don't know if anyone has that information.

Eric:  So nobody's come forward with anything since your movie's been out, then?  Because that would be a useful thing if people didn't know to bring that forward.

Sofia:  Right.  And I think whoever said it's the tip of the iceburg is right. 

I mean, we're really seeing the tip of the iceburg on every subject.  We have been deluded into thinking that the world is a little rose garden.  And it isn't.  And that's what I think that people have to be comforted about, almost, that if you proceed with dread and fear about all this, then you almost diminish your own capability of doing much about it, because I do think that fear and dread are very paralyzing, and they kind of seed more of the same, if you know what I mean.

Eric:  Well, yeah.

Sofia:  I find this inspiring.  It's strange to say that, but I do.

Eric:  You mean to look into 911 and the corruption and what's all behind it?

Sofia:  Yes.  I was interviewed by the Tampa Tribune, which is the main newspaper of Tampa, Florida, a couple of days ago, and I told the reporter that when you look into 9/11, or anything -- JFK, vaccinations, chemtrails, anything -- as you start looking into it, and you read more and more and more and more, number one, you'll start making leaps of your own, and then you'll find your leaps are backed up by what you're reading.  So everything starts knitting together.  And you'll also find, no. 2, that what you read correlates with everything else that you're reading, The knitting together of this only makes it all the more believable. because I told the reporter, if this is fiction, if all of this stuff is just pure conspiracy theory drivel that people are cooking up because they have nothing better to do, then the more you go into it, the more it will fall apart, but instead it's the opposite.  The more you go into it, the more it coheres.  And that to me is totally fascinating.

Eric:  Well, yes, you're uncovering a mystery, is what you're doing.  You're not uncovering a fantasy.

Sofia:  The mystery is, well, you're uncovering a picture.  It's almost as though you're in the dark room.  I used to be a black and white photo developer.  And I used to just be in awe as you expose the print, and you could see it just coming out.

Eric:  Oh, watching it come forward.  Yeah, I guess that's what you're doing, like watching a print come out as you dig into it and see who's behind it and all. 

Sofia:  Yeah, and then you start seeing the details.  And of course in photography, you have to stop it at a certain point.  And then you fix it.  But in this case, you can't stop it.  It's just very engrossing. 

Eric:  So instead of becoming frightened by this, you're finding it fascinating.

Sofia:  It is fascinating.  And it's freeing.  Because really the delusions you've carried all this time without really knowing that that's what they were, are being cleaned away.  And now you get to redefine the world.  And I think as people go through life, they become more cynical.  I know that I was.  I was becoming more bitter, more cynical, and more irritated with the way things were.  Because I think deep down we sense that it's not that great.

Eric:  That something's wrong.

Sofia:  Or there's something false.  And as I now have gone into the rabbit hole, and gone through the other side, gone through what I call the keyhole of consciousness, it begins to redefine itself.  Now you can start all over again.  You can literally rename the world in its more realistic definitions, and you know your coordinates.  You know your north and south and east and west much more clearly.

Eric:  Well, you know that's interesting because when I was a teenager, I made a decision that when I leave home, I'm never going to get a TV or buy newspapers or magazines.  And to me it's because they just seemed stupid, and I couldn't bring myself to do it.  But now that I see 9/11, and all the rest of it, it's making more sense.  It's not that they're stupid, they are deliberately deceptive, on purpose.  It's by design this way.  They are deliberately covering up issues, they are deliberately bringing out irrelevant issues to distract and entertain and create trouble.  And see, actually it makes more sense now.  Rather than just looking at the world, like you said, with cynicism and thinking, "Oh, these stupid TV shows," now it starts to make sense.  This is why they bring out crazy issues all the time.   You know, like during an election, they'll bring out abortion, and get all the Republicans fighting with each other.  And then they'll bring up cutting social security and welfare, and get the Democrats fighting.  And you think, "Why are they doing this?"  It's because it's an attempt to keep the people fighting, confused, while they take over.

Sofia:  Well, that's right.  And to distract us and absorb our energy.  I mean, we only have so much energy in the day.  And really, I think, living is an exercise in choosing how to spend your time, where to put your mind, and what to be aware of.  And I was telling -- I shouldn't give away my whole interview with the Tampa Tribune, but whatever -- I told this reporter that our day in America is taken up with making perhaps hundreds of irrelevant decisions.  Like should I switch from Cingular, to Verizon, or to Sprint?  Or should I shop at Albertson's, or the A & T, or Ralph's, or Vaughn's, or where?  You know, which magazine should I buy from the newsstand?  And all the magazines are the same.  They are all derivatives of one another.  So really and truly, there is no real importance to the decisions we're making.  They're simply time consuming.  And because we have such an array of choices at our fingertips every minute of the day, we waste our time and energy making these decisions.  And therefore, we don't have the time and energy to think of much else. 

Eric:  Right.  Well your message is something we all should be telling people, to enjoy this uncovering of the mystery, rather than what you're saying right now, which is fear them.  Fear that they're going to put chips in you, fear that they're going to track and trace you, fear that you can't do anything about it.  Your attitude, that you're enjoying it, that should get out.  Have you ever been worried while you were doing this that you might get killed by these people? Did that ever bother you at any point during this whole creation of your DVD, and your shows in Hollywood?

Sofia:  Killed?  I don't think I was worried about being killed, but I was worried about having my project tampered with, or being arrested -- not me being arrested, but the project, you know, somehow the hard drives would disappear, or I would have a setback and I would have to start again.  And that was a concern.

Eric:  But overall, the fascination with uncovering it overrode any sort of worries?

Sofia:  Well, I had a blast, pardon the pun, making this demolition section.  I'm a girl, remember?  I don't like explosions and guns and all that stuff.  I have my own theories as to why men are fascinated with explosions, but I'll leave that for a follow-up interview.  Anyway, no, I'm a girl.  So I don't like that stuff, and I had to delve into it, and it was not comfortable for me, really, until I got past a certain point, and I started to really think, and I started to compare what I was learning about blasting, the world of blasting with reports that witnesses had made of what they heard and saw at the Twin Towers, or rather at World Trade Center.  And the correlations were abundantly clear that there was a sequence to blasting, to bringing down a building.  It was done in stages that followed in quick succession, but it involved different kinds of explosions, and the same kinds of explosions were reported at the World Trade Center.  So that caused me to create what I call my Six Stage Demolition Theory.  And it became kind of the centerpiece of the video.  And then it was followed by a lot of new material that I unearthed by sheer luck when I talked to Scott Forbes, and he decided to tell me everything that he could remember that was weird prior to September 11th.

Eric:  And how did you get a hold of Scott Forbes?

Sofia:  His letter to John Kaminski was actually available on the Internet, and I emailed him.

Eric:  Oh, just through email?  Because he's in England, isn't he?

Sofia:  Yes, yes.  He's in England.

Eric:  And at the time, of course, he was living in New Jersey?

Sofia:  Yes, he lived across the Hudson in New Jersey.  And he had taken the day off because the power down of the weekend before 9/11 was such a nightmare for Fiduciary Trust, as their servers were on the premises.  You see, this is one thing that even a lot of 9/11 people are worried about.  Why did no one else report the power down?  And therefore they think that because it was this singular experience of Scott Forbes, that it is too isolated to pay attention to.  But in fact, as Scott pointed out to me in the interview, most of the offices or companies in the Twin Towers did not have servers on the premises.  Their servers were located elsewhere.  So when they shut their computers off on Friday night, the power down didn't affect their systems at all, because they would come in on Monday morning and fire the computers up and everything would just be hunky dory.  But with Scott's company, with a server right there, in whatever South Tower that they were, it wasn't going to be easy.  They actually lost data as a result of the power down.  And then they really lost it, I guess, because the building collapsed.  But he did say that he had to spend all of Monday working to the wee hours of Monday night, and Tuesday morning, trying to get everything working again.  And that there had been a notification three weeks prior by the Port Authority memo, which nobody has anymore, but it would be great to have that memo.  And they said they're going to shut the power off.  And it presented enormous problems for certain companies.  So that's why the power down was of such a magnitude to Scott and not anyone else.

Eric:  But if he knew it was coming weeks in advance, how did he get caught off guard?

Sofia:  What do you mean, "caught off guard?"

Eric:  Why did they lose data if they knew it was coming?

Sofia:  He said inevitably they could not preserve their entire system with the power down.  I don't know.  You'll have to ask him.

Eric:  But he did save some of it, though.

Sofia:  I think mostly everything was restored, but some of it was not restored.  It was a complete power down.  Anyway, he did take the day off Tuesday, and it was late, and he was awakened by what he thought was a truck going over a bump in the road below him.  I think he used the word, "Boom boom boom boom boom" kind of a sound. And he got up and he looked out of the window, and the road was empty.  And then he looked around and saw the North Tower smoking, and I guess he even caught the fireball.  And then he realized what had happened.  And so interestingly, the multiple booms that he heard might have been the first plane strike, and then the fireball might have been the second one, but I think he said there were three booming sounds close together.  And that was one of the underground explosions.  So he continued to watch and that's when he witnessed the plane hitting the South Tower a little bit later.  And he does say that this was definitely a plane.  It was not anything but a plane.  And he has seen planes flying.  There are various airports around Manhattan: there is Kennedy, LaGuardia and Newark, and he had seen planes of all shapes and sizes as long as he had lived and ...

Eric:  So he's not going for this no plane hologram, or bluescreen nonsense?

Sofia:  He feels very strongly that there was definitely a plane that hit the South Tower, and he saw it, full on.

Eric:  Well, what do you think about the issue of all the deception in this movement?  Do you even pay much attention to those accusations, or do you pretty much trust everybody out there?

Sofia:  The deception in the movement as it originates from the government?

Eric:  Well, my opinion is that most of the people who are trying to expose 9/11 are not really trying to expose it at all, they are trying to control it, they are trying to create fear, they're not trying to help us at all.  Do you at all look at those issues, or is that something you haven't paid much attention to?

Sofia:  Well, I'm aware of those issues because I talk to you.  And there are many other people who have tried to alert me to the fact that there are wolves in sheep's clothing out there.

Eric:  But do you find the issue confusing still? 

Sofia:  No, I would say I go by my gut.  And I might be very naive but I do believe that a lot of people are driven by a desire to do something about this. And what you're seeing them do is what they are capable of doing.  It is confusing, I will say, because everybody has their own brand of discussions, attitude, behavior even, and people tend to squabble.  I think it's the human tendency, inclination.  You put children in the schoolyard and that's what they'll do.  So I think that's what we're seeing.  I don't think it's as devious as you make it out to be.  But then again, you've been in it longer and I'm really a babe in the wood. 

Eric:  Let's see, when did you first learn about 9/11?  Because you said it was 2004 when you were creating the cards and the flash movie, but is that when you first learned about it too?  I can't remember.

Sofia:  Yes, but I remember though when it happened.  My mother told me that day, I had talked to her on the phone after the planes had struck the towers, and then she told me, "And one of the buildings just collapsed."  And I just said -- it was an explosive utterance -- I said, "that's ridiculous."  And it just seemed to me, because I had lived in New York, and I knew what the Twin Towers were, that they just couldn't fall down.

Eric:  It's funny, because when my mom called me and said the towers fell down, I said "but the towers couldn't have fallen down."  I said the same thing. 

Sofia:  But then they did fall down.  So I just shunned all that brouhaha, the fanfare and the sentiment.  I wouldn't watch TV.  And in fact, people told me that day to turn my TV on and I wouldn't.  Actually, I was ill that day and had violent stomach pain, and to this day I don't know why.  Maybe it was a premonitory thing.  A friend of mine made a joke about it.  He said next time you have stomach pain, call the Feds.  Something's about to happen.

Eric:  But you ignored it all on TV, then?

Sofia:  I would not watch TV.  I just did not want to be part of this.  I knew it was going to be a dog and pony show. 

Eric:  Well, you don't watch much TV anyway, do you?

Sofia:  Now I do for analysis and pure enjoyment.

Eric:  But at the time?

Sofia: ... well, of discovering.  It's an observation of the matrix and not the matrix.  So, when you are out of it, and you are alert and out of it, it's very interesting to go back into it and experience it.

Eric:  So now you watch TV like I do to see, "What are they saying to deceive people with, and how are they deceiving?"

Sofia:  The logic!  Especially in advertising, and I do remember an ad -- I kid you not -- I was not dreaming, I was sitting in front of the television, and there was an ad on.  And it was a woman in her forties.  And she was running through a meadow with the wind blowing her hair, with all of the little wildflowers around her, and she said "I take" -- I don't know, some big, huge, convoluted medical name laxative, "I take blah blah blah laxative" -- and she said "It's absolutely wonderful.  It keeps me regular and I can eat all the junk food I want."

Eric:  That's what she said?

Sofia:  That was an ad on television, Channel 26.

Eric:  So she can eat all the junk food she wants?

Sofia:  "I take blah blah blah laxative, and it keeps me regular, and I can eat all the junk food I want."  Luckily, I was sitting on the floor, because I would have fallen to the floor probably.  That's the logic they're delivering.

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